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Something does not add up here. The American public will believe anything and everything.
For weeks they seem to cheerlead on the vaccine, while downplaying legitimate questions and ignoring it. There is very little transperancy and the numbers don't look good.
If it's so effective at preventing hospitalizations and deaths, why is the rate similar to before the vaccine.
I know I have been vaccinated twice and had severe, severe body aches plus had fever, stomach aches and sore arm.
It seems like there is a tremendous amount of break-through cases. They claim that is expected but the reports only have a sampling of states.
I was surprised that the hospitalization rate was 9% for those who had the vaccine who tested positive, I know there were some states that had hospitalization rates much lower than that before the vaccine
The case fatality rate is 1.4%, which is slightly lower than the 1.8% but that 1.8% includes last Spring.
Supposedly, they say that this happens because of existing anti-bodies from before.
9% of those who have had vaccine who caught COVID-19 were hospitalized
The report is incomplete and does not include all states.
Much lower COVID cases in Oklahoma are being credited to a good number of people getting vaccinated. But recent falling numbers of those getting vaccinated are blamed on Republican fears against it. I got vaccinated against COVID-19, but I'm older and don't have many decades left to try to live, if the vaccines turn out to be a disaster upon the people from turning against their immunity systems. If I was considerably younger, like in my teens to 40s, I think I'd be too scared at this time to get a anti covid vaccine. But on the other hand, if they're so bad, you'd think by now the first human test subjects for the anti covid vaccines, which amount to 75,000 people, would be hospitalized or dropping dead.
Anyway, for the time being, I think people, like Alex Jones and others, who have been putting out crass scare stuff against the vaccines are nothing but a crazy menace to public health. For beyond bizarre on how the paranoia has been getting, at least one person who claims to be a doctor thinks people who have gotten vaccinated should be quarantined, due to shedding particles making some people ill, especially non-vaccinated women with their more intense menstrual cycles and even miscarriages.
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Something does not add up here. The American public will believe anything and everything.
True and true. Including making anything out of this data.
It's just 9,000 cases from a messy reporting system. While the vaccines don't have 100% efficacy, there is really not much to conclude from anything reported here, other than a bunch of random #'s sent to the CDC. To use this data for hospitalization rates or CFRs is overdoing it.
The reality is that our 7-day positive test rate is at a pandemic low of 3.6% and 7-day deaths have trended down to a 10 month low.
The CDC took a long time to get its reporting infrastructure up and running, and I would toss out anything you're seeing here, especially because the numbers are tiny relative to the over 100 million Americans who are now fully vaxxed.
"Total number of vaccine breakthrough infections reported to CDC 9,245
Females 5,827 (63%)
People aged ≥60 years 4,245 (45%)
Asymptomatic infections 2,525 (27%)
Hospitalizations* 835 (9%)
Deaths†132 (1%)
*241 (29%) of the 835 hospitalizations were reported as asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19.
†20 (15%) of the 132 fatal cases were reported as asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19."
Note that 9,245 Is the total reported to CDC. There is nothing on the page to indicate those reports are for only two weeks. How is the 4600 per week number in the thread title derived?
Of the 9% hospitalized, almost a third of those were asymptomatic, That means they were hospitalized for causes other than COVID-19. Hospitals test everyone on admission these days. That means the hospitalization rate due to COVID-19 was actually closer to 6%.
Subtracting the 20 deaths not due to COVID-19 leaves 112 presumably due to COVID-19.
You cannot calculate a case fatality rate because the majority of asymptomatic infections will not be picked up.
Also note that the cases start being counted 14 days after the last vaccine dose. People with a positive test at 14 days were infected before the vaccine became optimally effective. It would be useful to know how many of these infections are happening because people did not follow directions to continue mitigation long enough.
"Total number of vaccine breakthrough infections reported to CDC 9,245
Females 5,827 (63%)
People aged ≥60 years 4,245 (45%)
Asymptomatic infections 2,525 (27%)
Hospitalizations* 835 (9%)
Deaths†132 (1%)
*241 (29%) of the 835 hospitalizations were reported as asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19.
†20 (15%) of the 132 fatal cases were reported as asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19."
Note that 9,245 Is the total reported to CDC. There is nothing on the page to indicate those reports are for only two weeks. How is the 4600 per week number in the thread title derived?
Of the 9% hospitalized, almost a third of those were asymptomatic, That means they were hospitalized for causes other than COVID-19. Hospitals test everyone on admission these days. That means the hospitalization rate due to COVID-19 was actually closer to 6%.
Subtracting the 20 deaths not due to COVID-19 leaves 112 presumably due to COVID-19.
You cannot calculate a case fatality rate because the majority of asymptomatic infections will not be picked up.
Also note that the cases start being counted 14 days after the last vaccine dose. People with a positive test at 14 days were infected before the vaccine became optimally effective. It would be useful to know how many of these infections are happening because people did not follow directions to continue mitigation long enough.
Whoops, your right "9,245 people tested positive for COVID-19 at least two weeks after getting their final COVID-19 vaccine" I misread that.
True and true. Including making anything out of this data.
It's just 9,000 cases from a messy reporting system. While the vaccines don't have 100% efficacy, there is really not much to conclude from anything reported here, other than a bunch of random #'s sent to the CDC. To use this data for hospitalization rates or CFRs is overdoing it.
The reality is that our 7-day positive test rate is at a pandemic low of 3.6% and 7-day deaths have trended down to a 10 month low.
The CDC took a long time to get its reporting infrastructure up and running, and I would toss out anything you're seeing here, especially because the numbers are tiny relative to the over 100 million Americans who are now fully vaxxed.
This is not VAERS data, which is passive, if that is what you mean by a "messy reporting system". It is active reporting from state health departments. I would like to know which states are not sending data and why.
CDC is going to eventually focus on hospitalizations and deaths. We now know the vaccines do prevent asymptomatic cases, so those will take a back seat to the more serious ones.
The US is not yet seeing the precipitous drop in cases and deaths that Israel has. Our vaccination rate is not high enough.
True and true. Including making anything out of this data.
It's just 9,000 cases from a messy reporting system. While the vaccines don't have 100% efficacy, there is really not much to conclude from anything reported here, other than a bunch of random #'s sent to the CDC. To use this data for hospitalization rates or CFRs is overdoing it.
The reality is that our 7-day positive test rate is at a pandemic low of 3.6% and 7-day deaths have trended down to a 10 month low.
The CDC took a long time to get its reporting infrastructure up and running, and I would toss out anything you're seeing here, especially because the numbers are tiny relative to the over 100 million Americans who are now fully vaxxed.
Some states like here in tx have reduced pcr cycles from 40 to 25. The higher pcr cycles give up to 85% false positive rate. So now it can appear vaccines are working.
Something does not add up here. The American public will believe anything and everything.
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The mortality rate for the Unites States are not adding up.
The death rate has consistently risen on average by .100
since 2013 and consistently hovered around 8% since
2004.................
The vaccine is less effective in overweight/obese people. And the majority of Americans (near 66%) are either overweight or obese.
This goes for any vaccine.
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