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ahh yes, buying off the police force so they will support your authoritarian views. a classic tactic.
But the other side of it is.....yup. They went to work every day-just like everyone else for the most part. Is he giving money to fast food workers? How about doctors? Nurses?
Nope. Hes funding the folks with guns that he wants to support him.
Ahh yes, the standard canned looney Leftist response. Once liberals, progressives and leftists goes into emotional mode, which takes less an a second, reason and common sense are impossible for them to process.
DeSantis is looking at the bigger picture... It’s far easier AND cheaper to pay a cop or a fireman a one time $1,000.00 check then to keep hiring cops who are getting tired of all the ANTIFA/BLM BS and quitting or retiring.
Most every major cities are loosing all their experienced cops because of all this BS. But to the looney Left, in their twisted minds, they “think” that by having a revolving door where departments are force to hire new cops constantly is a good thing. Trust me, in today’s anti-police environment, it doesn’t take long for a new and young cop to say screw it and go back to Starbucks.
You mean you deflected from the topic. Because honestly your argument doesnt change mine. Replace the word "truck and delivery drivers" and my argument doesnt change.
Don't get bent out of shape because I called you out on your idiotic claim that "pizza delivery drivers" are more likely to die on the job than cops.
ahh yes, buying off the police force so they will support your authoritarian views. a classic tactic.
But the other side of it is.....yup. They went to work every day-just like everyone else for the most part. Is he giving money to fast food workers? How about doctors? Nurses?
Nope. Hes funding the folks with guns that he wants to support him.
I would much rather give LEOs and other people who serve the public an extra $1,000 than give it to those people who don't work for a living and don't WANT to work for a living.
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Then prove what I said wrong, and I'll apologize in this very thread. Go ahead, prove me wrong, don't provide any other posts but mine to make yourself correct. Go ahead, do it....PROVE to everyone I lied, as you are clearly stating. I'll wait, but not holding my breath.
Sure, this is what you said. Let me highlight the issue. Obviously im not holding my breath on you apologizing.
Your claim:
Post #55:
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Originally Posted by chucksnee
It is...LOL....
Not the point, you want protection but don't support those ****ty jobs that you'll be the first to run to and crying for, for protection.
Now. youve been reading all these nonsense posts saying similar things as you because apparently yall are more focused on attacking me then actually talking about this topic. I just called you out specifically. But heres what I have said so far:
Heres me pointing that its HOW its being done, not whats being done:
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Originally Posted by greywar
Im against individuals doing it in such a way as to promote loyalty to them.
Give them a raise, something that matters. But a one time 1K? Feels more like bribery. History is FULL of examples of this, where money paid to police and military is designed to make them respond more positively to that politicians actions against the populations interests.
I tried responding to a earlier person lying about me, indicating once again.....raises.
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Originally Posted by greywar
Maybe you should read what I have said here before making yourself look foolish. I literally have suggested they get raises that would be more beneficial to them.
Any more nonsense you want to claim?
Me pointing it out yet again:
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Originally Posted by greywar
LOL. A fair criticism
It doesnt change that giving money to the people with money in one time bonuses has a well know correlation throughout history. And again note-Id rather they got raises.
And heres me saying it should be more then the 1K:
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Originally Posted by greywar
I think because of the non stop historical precedents that exist, im going to have to disagree.
Give them a 2K raise then. But bonuses are damaging to countries political stability when given to those with guns.
Me discussing some of why again, and a alternative method if it has to be funded via the state, and yet again pointing folks are straight up misrepresenting me:
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Originally Posted by greywar
Read my prior posts. Theres a difference between giving money to a ton of folks for stimulus, and giving people with the guns in a society a "bonus" thats targeted. And I point out that there are historical reasons for this.
Its one of the better pushbacks that misses my point entirely, so I appreciate that.
Correct. id even prefer a higher salary increase then the bonus.
Shrug, call it a "retention bonus" then and make it monthly for a year at 2K instead of one.
Its the corrupting influence it has.
Folks who seem to think im anti-police etc miss the fact Id rather give them more money, then money this way.
Now do you see my point? Ive had people non stop accuse me of being anti-police......because I suggested they get more money, but in a different way.
Desantis does this every year with a different group to buy votes. Last year it was teachers, the year before it was Florida Public Health workers within the Florida Dept. of Health, teachers were mixed in a few years ago as well.
I don't know if he is buying votes, just a kind guy, or if the bonus is the way the state circumvents raises and extra contributions to the retirement fund of state employees.
Keep in mind some state agencies like the Dept have had only one pay raise in almost 14 years. Their turnover rate is over 20% which is huge considering it is a state job with a pension. FedEx is like 6% with no pension and I am sure they work harder, the State pay is really low considering the responsibility of some of the positions.
I only know this because I have hired nurses to work in Infection Prevention and Control from the health dept. because it is difficult to find nurses that understand reportable diseases and how to do them correctly, and parameters for discharge that have to be in place so my service can get them out of the hospital.
They had receipts too as you can actually look up any state employee salary online in Florida. Nurses working in serious areas like Tuberculosis and HIV were making $10,000 less than what new nurses were making on graduation at hospitals and private clinics.
If the pizza delivery guys and gals are considered first responders, sure, give it to them.
Last time I checked, a first responder is a person with specialized training who is among the first to arrive and provide assistance at the scene of an emergency, such as an accident, natural disaster, or terrorism. First responders typically include law enforcement officers, paramedics, EMT's and firefighters.
Pizza delivery guys, nurses, doctors... their jobs are all important and you can even argue their jobs are more dangerous than a cop's job, but these folks are not considered first responders.
If police officers are no longer first responders, sure, don't give it to them, but they are still first responders.
Your logic seems flawed. By the way, one time Thank you bonus and a raise in salary are not mutually exclusive, you can do one and the other. During a pandemic, everybody can use a little extra cash, Florida decided to give a bit more to the first responders. I see nothing wrong with it.
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