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In welfare situations it's not the woman who drags the man to court but the State. They want the father to pay child support. And this would be the majority of cases.
My sister adopted a kid where they did 5 DNA tests on men to find the daddy. They finally gave up and let her adopt.
Good lord. There is a difference in a pregnancy and a child. Logically because now he has a living, breathing child.
You know in reality, he is part of the decision. You know that right. From the initial, I want this baby lets get married or parent together. to the "i'm not ready to be a father, I dont want this baby get an abortion", which is in so many cases the very reason women abort.
In reality when the woman carries the child anyway, most men who do not want any involvement never are held responsible for financial support. They may be taxed by the court but in reality few actually pay any support. I will look up and post links to the statistics on child support payments if you cant but Im sure you have already seen them.
So this continued argument you keep wanting to have about the father having input is pointless. I'd say in 99.9% of the cases his input is what determines if a woman decides to abort or carry to term. Situations in which a woman aborts against the wishes of the fathers or so rare they aren't worth the argument.
Now if you believe the man's decision should trump the womans, thats a different story.
Where does the WOMAN'S responsibility lie?
In using BC? Nope. I've been told over and over that's the man's job.
In communicating her feelings on abortion/children before sex? Nope. I've been told over and over that's the man's job is to let her do whatever she wants. His opinion does not matter.
In supporting the child when born? Nope. I've been told over and over that's the man's job.
So tell me, where does the woman's responsibility lie? She seems really helpless in your scenario. Can't do a THING without the man, except kill the baby.
A woman that “drags” a man to court is after fair and equitable child support. Most likely she’d rather never see him again that’s why the courts handle it.
Then why keep the child? Because she sure as hell will have him in her life for at least the next 18 years.
Did you actually read the subject of this thread? Texas, along with lots of other states, has passed a law that basically restricts abortion to the point where it’s banned. If they and other states have their way, abortion will no longer be safe or legal. Save your anger for the legislators in those states who want to make choosing abortion impossible. Will you continue to blame women when their choice is removed?
If Texas bans abortion, then both are responsible. I don't live in Texas, so this does not concern me.
These child support laws are from an era when abortion was illegal. And they made sense then. They no longer make sense, when it's 100% the woman's choice to keep it.
You got a link to suggest women who abort are at higher risk of abuse their kids?
I do. Go do some research.
I don't post links anymore on C-D. Too many posters respond without reading them and post inaccurate and misleading information about it because of their confirmation bias. Or lie outright about the content. You can thank certain posters for that.
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I would guess if a women has sex 100 times she'll probably get pregnant.
If a man has sex 100 times with 100 different women, chances are none will get pregnant.
Whatever point you are trying to make ... is not a point.
Last I checked ... women are the ones that get pregnant.
Also: Woman control who they have sex with. Or are you saying that in Texas all woman every day are forced to have sex with 100 men so Texas needs too regulate men?
Again .. your point .. is not a point.
I'm not sure how this is relevant to the discussion, but it's factually completely untrue.
Unprotected one night stands are statistically much higher risk for pregnancy. If one woman has sex with one man for 100 days, unprotected, there's a chance that will result in one baby.
If a man has sex 100 times with 100 women, unprotected, the odds are VERY high that there will be 10+ babies resulting.
I'm not sure how this is relevant to the discussion, but it's factually completely untrue.
Unprotected one night stands are statistically much higher risk for pregnancy. If one woman has sex with one man for 100 days, unprotected, there's a chance that will result in one baby.
If a man has sex 100 times with 100 women, unprotected, the odds are VERY high that there will be 10+ babies resulting.
Well, why are the women having unprotected sex if they know it can result in a pregnancy?
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If Texas bans abortion, then both are responsible. I don't live in Texas, so this does not concern me.
These child support laws are from an era when abortion was illegal. And they made sense then. They no longer make sense, when it's 100% the woman's choice to keep it.
They make sense still today because I don't want to pay for some guy's kid, I wasn't there in the bed creating it, and I don't want an innocent child to suffer in poverty.
So that's why.
When you can find the guy who was there when the baby was made, relieves the tax payers the burden of paying for his child.
Additionally, "those" child support laws that were written before we had DNA paternity testing seemed weaker, and less enforceable. Now we have DNA. No denying it, daddy.
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