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Old 09-21-2021, 08:57 AM
 
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Incorrect. Both times I was pregnant, I knew it and had confirmed it before then. Why? How? I was paying attention to my own reproductive health, just as all women should be doing. Irresponsibility is no excuse, it's just flat out laziness. Your body = your choice to be responsible with it, or not, and there are consequences to being irresponsible with one's own body. Just ask drug addicts, etc.
Oh horse ****.
Even the medical profession will tell you most women do not know they are pregnant at 6 weeks. The way gestation is counted the last day of your menstrual cycle about 2 weeks before conception even happens. Its generally 4 weeks before the pregnancy hormones can even be detected by a pregnancy test. Women are going to be so different in their pregnancies you can not say they can tell by paying attention to their reproductive health. Many women have irregular cycles and early symptoms of pregnancy are pretty much the same as PMS.
You believe a single working mothers is going to 1000 % attentive to her cycle. Every cramp, spotting, mood swings, back ache and tender booby when she is trying to deal with holding down a job, worried about getting her kid to daycare, spending time with her kid(s), grocery shopping, cooking, keeping the house, relationship and all other stresses. Ha.

Speaking of addicts, many women are on prescription meds or illegal drugs and do a bit of drinking which tends to cloud the judgement and can affect your menstrual cycle.
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Old 09-21-2021, 09:08 AM
 
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Default Texas Abortion Doctor Sued by Felon in Arkansas Prison

A lawsuit that could test the constitutionality of the nation’s most restrictive abortion ban was filed in Texas on Monday against a doctor who admitted to performing an abortion considered illegal under the new law.

The details of the civil suit against Alan Braid, a physician in San Antonio, are as unusual as the law itself, which empowers private citizens to enforce the ban on abortion once cardiac activity has been detected — often as early as six weeks into a pregnancy.

The plaintiff is a felon serving a federal sentence at home in Arkansas, with no connection to the abortion at issue. He said he filed the claim not because of strongly held views about reproductive rights but in part because of the $10,000 he could receive if the lawsuit is successful. A second, unrelated suit filed Monday — just four paragraphs long — came from a man in Chicago who asked a state court to strike down the abortion law as invalid.

https://www.axios.com/texas-abortion...f6c91ebff.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...007_story.html
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Old 09-21-2021, 09:58 AM
 
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Oh horse ****.
Tough. It's true. If one is going to actively participate in an activity with a KNOWN possible outcome (in this case, pregnancy), it is one's responsibility to pay attention to what one is doing if one wants to AVOID that outcome.

Again, 95% of unintended pregnancies are due to LACK of use of birth control (54%) or the incorrect use of birth control (41%). That's a HELL of a lot of irresponsibility. No different than an overeater or drug addict being irresponsible with their body. What happens to each of those? Respectively, obesity and/or damage to one's own health, which is frequently permanent.
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Old 09-21-2021, 10:29 AM
 
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Tough. It's true. If one is going to actively participate in an activity with a KNOWN possible outcome (in this case, pregnancy), it is one's responsibility to pay attention to what one is doing if one wants to AVOID that outcome.

Again, 95% of unintended pregnancies are due to LACK of use of birth control (54%) or the incorrect use of birth control (41%). That's a HELL of a lot of irresponsibility. No different than an overeater or drug addict being irresponsible with their body. What happens to each of those? Respectively, obesity and/or damage to one's own health, which is frequently permanent.
Yes people are irresponsible and always have been. That is not going to change. Our lives dont revolve around trying to decipher if every body cramp, emotion, pimple or water retention is a sign of a implanted zygote. That is truth. Since mankind has figured out what causes pregnancy they have been trying to figure out how to avoid it, including abortion and infanticide. That in itself tells us we are not designed to be attuned to every body function at every minute of the day or to be responsible enough to avoid biological drives.
Even when BC was crude and unreliable and circumstances were literally deadly people actively participated in sexual intercourse knowing the likely outcome.

So you are superior to most humans present and who have come before you.
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Old 09-21-2021, 10:56 AM
 
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Yes people are irresponsible and always have been. That is not going to change. Our lives dont revolve around trying to decipher if every body cramp, emotion, pimple or water retention is a sign of a implanted zygote. That is truth. Since mankind has figured out what causes pregnancy they have been trying to figure out how to avoid it, including abortion and infanticide. That in itself tells us we are not designed to be attuned to every body function at every minute of the day or to be responsible enough to avoid biological drives.
Even when BC was crude and unreliable and circumstances were literally deadly people actively participated in sexual intercourse knowing the likely outcome.
Unintended pregnancy falls under the same irresponsibility as overeating and drug abuse, as I've already mentioned. The KNOWN outcomes of those are obesity and/or damaged health yet people still willfully engage in those actions. It's no surprise that 95% of unintended pregnancies are due to lack of use of birth control (54%) and incorrect use of birth control (41%). That's the same type of irresponsibility to one's own health as overeating and abusing drugs. It's sad that so many women are SO irresponsible with their own health, but it is what it is. It's no one's fault but their own.
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So you are superior to most humans present and who have come before you.
Nope. Most women, like me, are able to responsibly manage their reproductive health. In the US, for every 3,750,000 births each year there are 615,000 abortions. That's a ratio of about 6 births to every one abortion. MOST women are able to responsibly manage their reproductive health.
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Old 09-21-2021, 11:32 AM
 
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Unintended pregnancy falls under the same irresponsibility as overeating and drug abuse, as I've already mentioned. The KNOWN outcomes of those are obesity and/or damaged health yet people still willfully engage in those actions. It's no surprise that 95% of unintended pregnancies are due to lack of use of birth control (54%) and incorrect use of birth control (41%). That's the same type of irresponsibility to one's own health as overeating and abusing drugs. It's sad that so many women are SO irresponsible with their own health, but it is what it is. It's no one's fault but their own.
Nope. Most women, like me, are able to responsibly manage their reproductive health. In the US, for every 3,750,000 births each year there are 615,000 abortions. That's a ratio of about 6 births to every one abortion. MOST women are able to responsibly manage their reproductive health.
Well I have the ability to read years of published peer reviewed studies on the human sex drive or libido and what influences it as well as years of studies, including case studies of the causes of overeating and drug use. As well studies, papers and history of reproductive health, including the fight for BC, abortions, infanticide, unplanned and unwanted pregnancies and their consequences including being ostracized, excommunicated, abused, abandoned, murdered. Tens even hundreds of thousands of personal stories of unplanned pregnancies and women having children they didnt want along with statistics showing more thatn 45% of pregnancies in the US are unplanned.

So you will understand why I dont take your word over that of historical writings and studies indicating otherwise.

Just FYI the ratio of live births to abortions is not a measure of managing ones reproduction.
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Old 09-21-2021, 11:36 AM
 
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Unintended pregnancy falls under the same irresponsibility as overeating and drug abuse, as I've already mentioned. The KNOWN outcomes of those are obesity and/or damaged health yet people still willfully engage in those actions. It's no surprise that 95% of unintended pregnancies are due to lack of use of birth control (54%) and incorrect use of birth control (41%). That's the same type of irresponsibility to one's own health as overeating and abusing drugs. It's sad that so many women are SO irresponsible with their own health, but it is what it is. It's no one's fault but their own.
Nope. Most women, like me, are able to responsibly manage their reproductive health. In the US, for every 3,750,000 births each year there are 615,000 abortions. That's a ratio of about 6 births to every one abortion. MOST women are able to responsibly manage their reproductive health.
Your misuse of statistics is stunning.

Almost half of all pregnancies in the US are unplanned/unintended.

So no there is most certainly not some majority of women who are responsibly managing their reproductive health to the point they don't get pregnant and give birth.
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Old 09-21-2021, 12:02 PM
 
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Well I have the ability to read years of published peer reviewed studies on the human sex drive or libido and what influences it as well as years of studies, including case studies of the causes of overeating and drug use. As well studies, papers and history of reproductive health, including the fight for BC, abortions, infanticide, unplanned and unwanted pregnancies and their consequences including being ostracized, excommunicated, abused, abandoned, murdered. Tens even hundreds of thousands of personal stories of unplanned pregnancies and women having children they didnt want along with statistics showing more thatn 45% of pregnancies in the US are unplanned.

So you will understand why I dont take your word over that of historical writings and studies indicating otherwise.
In 95% of those cases, it's the women's own fault for being irresponsible with their reproductive health. Don't take my word for it. Take it from Guttmacher, Planned Parenthood's research arm:

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"Overall, only 5% of unintended pregnancies occur among women who use contraception
consistently, whereas 54% occur among nonusers and 41% occur among inconsistent users."
Cited source: Guttmacher, here: https://digitalcommons.library.tmc.e...childrenatrisk
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Old 09-21-2021, 12:35 PM
 
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In 95% of those cases, it's the women's own fault for being irresponsible with their reproductive health. Don't take my word for it. Take it from Guttmacher, Planned Parenthood's research arm:

Cited source: Guttmacher, here: https://digitalcommons.library.tmc.e...childrenatrisk
Cool. So your whole jam is about issuing fault rather than lending women support through a medical situation. Can't wait until you get a ride on the Karma bus...
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Old 09-21-2021, 01:19 PM
 
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Cool. So your whole jam is about issuing fault rather than lending women support through a medical situation. Can't wait until you get a ride on the Karma bus...
That appears to be a common trend among some anti abortion posters.
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