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Old 06-04-2021, 06:47 AM
 
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Originally Posted by paracord View Post
I mean, the data is easily found.

Doctors in canada don't even make 50% of what they make in the USA, on average. That doesn't even count the exceptional doctors in the USA that make many millions per year via their own practices and specializations.

It's not even close.
"Doctors in canada don't even make 50% of what they make in the USA, on average."


The Coat of Living is NOT the same throughout America.

 
Old 06-04-2021, 06:51 AM
 
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Maybe that's what they express to others, particularly on message boards like this, but as I've already posted, 68% of Canadians believe they have to wait too long for access to health care. That tells me all I need to know about national health care... it's rationed and therefore difficult to access. Very much like the Fed Gov-administered Veterans Admin health care in the US.

https://www.iedm.org/wp-content/uplo..._poll_2019.pdf
All of a sudden you ascribe credibility to polls? Well here you go then; once again we'll easily debunk your Koch Bother's poll by offering up a counterpoint showing your people suffering far worse conditions with the current mish-mash you call a system:

The worst kind of wait times for over 150 million of Americans:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/29/over...afford-it.html
Excerpts:
"Meanwhile, 10 percent of Americans with children under the age of 18 have delayed care for a dependent or child because of financial issues" 10% delaying care for their kids - let's see, that's more than Canada's entire population!!

https://www.kff.org/uninsured/issue-...ed-population/

So apparently all you need to know is your hamster died and the wheel stopped.
 
Old 06-04-2021, 06:56 AM
 
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All of a sudden you ascribe credibility to polls?
More so than to your anecdotal "opinion?" Yes.

To recap: 68% of Canadians believe they have to wait too long for access to health care. That tells me all I need to know about national health care... it's rationed and therefore difficult to access. Very much like the Fed Gov-administered Veterans Admin health care in the US.

https://www.iedm.org/wp-content/uplo..._poll_2019.pdf
 
Old 06-04-2021, 07:04 AM
 
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More so than to your anecdotal "opinion?" Yes.

To recap: 68% of Canadians believe they have to wait too long for access to health care. That tells me all I need to know about national health care... it's rationed and therefore difficult to access. Very much like the Fed Gov-administered Veterans Admin health care in the US.

https://www.iedm.org/wp-content/uplo..._poll_2019.pdf
I provided two links that WERE NOT my anecdotal opinion. You have ignored them over and over along with ignoring your own government figures on how many uninsured there are in America also equating to more than Canada's population

Those are some serious U.S. wait times easily eclipsing that single poll you found.
 
Old 06-04-2021, 07:07 AM
 
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I provided two links that WERE NOT my anecdotal opinion. You have ignored them over and over along with ignoring your own government figures on how many uninsured there are in America also equating to more than Canada's population

Those are some serious U.S. wait times easily eclipsing that single poll you found.
I don't see in either of your links where 68% of Americans believe they have to wait too long for access to health care as is true in Canada.

To recap: 68% of Canadians believe they have to wait too long for access to health care. That tells me all I need to know about national health care... it's rationed and therefore difficult to access. Very much like the Fed Gov-administered Veterans Admin health care in the US.

https://www.iedm.org/wp-content/uplo..._poll_2019.pdf
 
Old 06-04-2021, 07:50 AM
 
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I don't see in either of your links where 68% of Americans believe they have to wait too long for access to health care as is true in Canada.

To recap: 68% of Canadians believe they have to wait too long for access to health care. That tells me all I need to know about national health care... it's rationed and therefore difficult to access. Very much like the Fed Gov-administered Veterans Admin health care in the US.

https://www.iedm.org/wp-content/uplo..._poll_2019.pdf
Well now I just know you're funn'n with me when you can equate a poll asking Canadians if they'd desire less "wait times" to having fully 10% of your fellow citizens unable to get any healthcare other than emergency - if even then and fully 50% self-denying their family any care at all.

You're kidding, right? Would you expect in the land with it's government in the hands of lobbyists they'd even allow Americans to be asked a similar question.

Can't seem to figure out for yourself that the Koch Brothers et-al, invested heavily in Big Pharma paid for a Canadian poll?

Can't figure out for yourself by reading this thread and all of the previous ones on this topic started by Americans along with the Health Insurance one on these boards, how dissatisfied Americans are with American Healthcare?

Oh and why is it only the U.S. making it an election issue with no other country thusly clamoring for change?

But, you go with that wee paid poll that even while being a conservative and dismissive of all other polls , you suddenly give credence to

Funny how only the polls YOU like are relevant.
 
Old 06-04-2021, 07:56 AM
 
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
More so than to your anecdotal "opinion?" Yes.

To recap: 68% of Canadians believe they have to wait too long for access to health care. That tells me all I need to know about national health care... it's rationed and therefore difficult to access. Very much like the Fed Gov-administered Veterans Admin health care in the US.

https://www.iedm.org/wp-content/uplo..._poll_2019.pdf
LOL
A new poll conducted by the Toronto-based Nanos Research points to overwhelming support — 86.2 percent — for strengthening public health care rather than expanding for-profit services.

https://www.healthcare-now.org/blog/...c-health-care/

More polls show very similar numbers.

They want to shorten lead times, not abolish their universal care.
 
Old 06-04-2021, 08:00 AM
 
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Well now I just know you're funn'n with me when you can equate a poll asking Canadians if they'd desire less "wait times" to having fully 10% of your fellow citizens unable to get any healthcare other than emergency - if even then and fully 50% self-denying their family any care at all.
Unable to get any health care? Not true by any stretch of the imagination. County health departments provide taxpayer-funded free health care clinics, and as a subset of that, the US HHS maintains a list of 10,000+ taxpayer-funded Title X Family Planning Clinics. To understand just how plentiful that is, Planned Parenthood has less than 700 such clinics.
 
Old 06-04-2021, 08:07 AM
 
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There is no competition in our healthcare system.

Get a slight education on our system and try again.
How dare you lie about what I said. I never said there was no competition in our healthcare system, That is a filthy LIE you told. A strawman. The debate tactic of last resort of the empty-headed.


Single payer removes competition. Not totally, to be sure, but to a great degree. THAT is what I said.


Your post is the reflection of a disgusting P?S.
 
Old 06-04-2021, 08:08 AM
 
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LOL
A new poll conducted by the Toronto-based Nanos Research points to overwhelming support — 86.2 percent — for strengthening public health care rather than expanding for-profit services.

https://www.healthcare-now.org/blog/...c-health-care/

More polls show very similar numbers.

They want to shorten lead times, not abolish their universal care.
Actually, Canadians want to expand access to private health care services. Poll: 68% of Canadians believe the Canadian government should allow patients increased access to care provided by private health:

https://www.iedm.org/wp-content/uplo..._poll_2019.pdf
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