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The President of the state GOP in Arizona was instrumental in pushing for the audit being done by the Republicans, controlled by the Republicans in Arizona.
7 weeks into the audit in Arizona and Fann is touting, the audit is to show people there was no fraud, that there was no widespread fraud.
But still Trump fans are touting the line there was widespread fraud.
There have been multiple recounts in states run by Republicans and no widespread fraud has been found.
There is no reason for those state Republicans to deny fraud if it exists. It serves them no professional or personal reasons.
There was no widespread fraud.
There was 1 case of fraud in Texas and another one in Colorado, not sure if they found any cases in the other states but I would love to see the nationwide numbers. I would think no more than 10.
The constant complaining about the 2020 Presidential election, and how Trump has retained support despite what occurred on January 6th, is quit disturbing. However I am comforted in the belief that there is little doubt that history will record Donald Trump accurately.
When all this noise dies down and Sean Hannity is long gone all that will remain is the record and the facts for the rest of time. And the record shows this was the most contested election in our history and it held up to every challenge. Trump had every opportunity to prove this massive fraud and he did not come close.
Students will learn this, they will see the videos from January 6th containing language such as "you have to fight or you won't have a country anymore". They will learn how he sat back and didn't do anything to stop the riot before finally telling these criminals "we love you, you are special people" and understand exactly what happened and why. Trump was in full support of the riot he created, this was his attempt to stop the certification in a desperate attempt to remain in power.
This is how Donald Trump will be remembered because this is exactly what happened.
No reasonable person would have believed those election fraud statements.
Well...guess we still got some unreasonables here.
Has anyone from the republican side explained how the states where trump won are not being investigated? Or have voter suppression laws being enacted to deter democrats or sound of mind folks from voting?
I have yet to be convinced there was fraud. It's kind of like a person trying to convince me the sky is falling because they hit their head on the car door when exiting it.
Its all about "finding" the votes. And only votes that help Trump. If there was really a legitimate search for voter fraud then states that Trump won by a small margin like North Carolina should be investigated also. But its really about cherry picking states that might go Trump's way if enough votes are found. But even with this biased one sided approach to voter fraud they are not finding anything meaningful.
Truth is Trump got lucky in 2016 and squeaked out several close swing states. His luck ran out in 2020 as those state broke against him. Biden got lucky this time. This is Occam's razor. The simplest most straightforward reason is usually the correct one. This notion that the dems are so powerful and amazing that they could pull of massive voter fraud without a trace to be found and have managed to keep every credible person from spilling the beans. And the people who have come forward turn out to be those with fake credentials or fake stories. Which to me goes a long ways towards the fact they really have nothing.
This reminds me of flat earth people. They swear the earth is flat but cannot come up with one shred of evidence to back it up.
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Oh, we care all right -- (and before I go any further, I am not a Trump supporter, although I very reluctantly voted for him in 2020) -- but what good would it do to continue to scream and protest? The 2020 election was FULL of fraud, imo, but launching a full-scale investigation on the House and Senate level would be a waste of taxpayer money and thousands of of hours of legislators' time -- plus, of course, the Democrats are now in charge. Unlike many Democrats who had no problem with wasting money and time on impeaching Trump, I believe that most Republicans do care about wasting money and time. (And I am convinced that it would be a waste of time.)
So although, personally, I have not gotten on the "stolen election" bandwagon, I just hopethat something will be done nationally to prevent this kind of fraud from happening again. (And, yes, I also "know"* that in the 2000 election, the presidency was stolen from the Democrat, Al Gore. I am not blind to the fact that, as usual, BOTH sides are guilty.)
However, in the case of the 2020 elections, Democrats should not think that they were able to fool most intelligent people. Republicans and conservatives might not be rioting in the streets, but we do know what happened -- and we will remember.
*Btw, the reason I put "know" in quotes is because I know (no quotes) that people dispute facts all the time, and unless we go to a different system than we have now, voting results will probably always be in dispute. Unfortunately, it would not be practical or fair to almost completely eliminate mail-in and absentee ballots, and there are WAY too many people in the great majority of precincts to have some kind of gigantic chalkboard in each precinct with someone reading off each ballot and someone else putting tally marks on a chalk board!
The fraud never happened in the first place, you are asking them to address a non-existent problem. Actually they are already wasting money and time in the many audits and recounts that have already occurred.
All this voter fraud stuff is and has been centered on Trump / Biden. What about senate races or house races? The senate flipped to the Democrats. Swing states like Arizona went from red to blue in the senate. As did Georgia. Yet Trump voters seem to not care at all about this. Why?
As for me I am concerned about voter fraud in all of the elections. The election process should be audited randomly by an outside source to assure honest elections.
Not one Republican has asked for a recount in a state where Trump won. The only time there is a concern is when a Republican loses. That's just a sore loser.
The fairy tale of taking boxes of votes from under the table has been addressed ad-nauseam but it nver gets old does it. I didn't hear Trump asking the Georgia Secretary of State to check the senate or house votes, it was all about him.
I would think it would be up to each individual house and senate candidates to ask for a re-check.
All this voter fraud stuff is and has been centered on Trump / Biden. What about senate races or house races? The senate flipped to the Democrats. Swing states like Arizona went from red to blue in the senate. As did Georgia. Yet Trump voters seem to not care at all about this. Why?
One thing at a time. We cannot even get the courts to take cases where we know states illegally altered their election process, in violation of their own state and even federal laws.
BTW, why do you concern yourself with how are we supposed to care about it? Democrats obviously don't give a crap about violations of election laws.
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