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Old 06-01-2022, 11:59 AM
 
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I think the court looked at it more like you're free to punch someone a few times if they sexually assault you.

It's kinda like how if you walk up to someone in a bar and hit them first and they turn around and punch you back and you die...they shouldn't face charges.
I vaguely remember a discussion on CD when this happened.
I'm not sure how it is sexual assault when you contact a person, go to their apartment more than once to let them perform oral sex on you. Its more like buyers remorse.
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Old 06-01-2022, 12:06 PM
 
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I vaguely remember a discussion on CD when this happened.
I'm not sure how it is sexual assault when you contact a person, go to their apartment more than once to let them perform oral sex on you. Its more like buyers remorse.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_deception

This covers the general idea.
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Old 06-01-2022, 12:06 PM
 
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I vaguely remember a discussion on CD when this happened.
I'm not sure how it is sexual assault when you contact a person, go to their apartment more than once to let them perform oral sex on you. Its more like buyers remorse.
agreed. much more like that.
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Old 06-01-2022, 12:06 PM
 
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The guy was a sexual predator. I’m not saying he deserved to be killed, but I understand.
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Old 06-01-2022, 12:10 PM
 
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Never heard of this type of defense argument.

"Gay/Trans 'Panic' Defense Leads to Accused Killer's Acquittal"

".....A jury Friday found former Virginia Tech football player Isimemen Etute, 19, not guilty of second-degree murder in the beating death of Jerry Paul Smith, The Roanoke Times reports. The trial took place over three days in Montgomery County Circuit Court in Christiansburg, Va."


"Smith, 40, had had a sexual encounter with Etute in Smith’s apartment in Blacksburg, Va. They met on Tinder, and Etute believed Smith was a woman named Angie. Smith performed oral sex on Etute when they hooked up April 10, 2021, with Etute still believing Smith was a woman. It is unknown if Smith identified as transgender; his family has said he was a gay man."

".....defense attorney Jimmy Turk blamed Smith, calling him a “deceitful and dishonest man” who “defrauded young men for his own sexual gratification.” Turk said, “Who is the real victim here? This was a wicked sexual ruse.”

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https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news...192127947.html
Must have been pretty good disguise if he didn’t realize it on meeting
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Old 06-01-2022, 12:10 PM
 
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So what we've got here, is a gigantic young man who feels justified in stomping another person to death, breaking all his facial bones and knocking out his teeth, and he's out there among us.

What could possibly go wrong.

Pray to god someone doesn't short him on his McDonalds order or get into a car wreck with him.
Um, you can’t compare a wrong McDonald’s order to the deceit this guy experienced. At least be serious about that. The trans should have made it clear he was a dude underneath the makeup and clothing on the dating app. I’m not saying he deserved death, but a good beat down and jail time for sexual assault sounds about right.

Then again, don’t mess with people sexual preferences. Most straight people can’t fathom the thought of engaging with the same sex. If you are ticked into doing that, who knows how you would respond. The trans man played with fire and got burned.

I wonder if homosexuals feel the same way. Would they consider it assault if a straight person tricked them? If not, makes you wonder if they are actually gay or not.
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Old 06-01-2022, 12:12 PM
 
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Yes, I read up on this when the incident hit the media. If you think about it, rape by deception could really open up a can of worms.
Breast augmentation
Viagra
lying about your marital status, income, profession, etc.
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Old 06-01-2022, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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Yes, I read up on this when the incident hit the media. If you think about it, rape by deception could really open up a can of worms.
Breast augmentation
Viagra
lying about your marital status, income, profession, etc.
I think this is more about inherent sexual identity of the individual vs superficialities.

Just look at how one poster is comparing sexual assault to getting the wrong order at McDonalds.
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Old 06-01-2022, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Sounds like we're free to murder anyone who deceives us now.


I think juries are supposed to decide things on a case by case basis, rather than making sweeping generalizations.

Thankfully, you weren't on the jury.
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Old 06-01-2022, 12:52 PM
 
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The guy was a sexual predator. I’m not saying he deserved to be killed, but I understand.
What makes him a sexual predator? adds on Tinder, paying for sex?


After a near-anonymous sexual encounter with Angie and her apartment on April 10, 2021 — during which Etute allegedly told detectives she kept her place dark, hid her face with a hoodie and paid him $50 after performing oral sex on him, according to ABC affiliate WJLA — Etute allegedly said he began to suspect Angie was not a woman.

When he returned to the the darkened Blacksburg apartment on May 31 for what Angie believed would be another sexual encounter, Etute allegedly told detectives, he used his phone flashlight to illuminate her face and discovered she was a man.


Etute answered an add for "near-anonymous sexual encounter" , paid $50.00 to let someone he couldnt see clearly suck his wee wee. And then goes back again already suspecting "Angie" was a man, punches, kicks and stomps his head.

What does that make Etute.

Not the victim IMO.
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