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Never said it's done nothing, but it clearly has gaps, otherwise then how do you explain these results out of the UK? A majority of the people dying of the COVID19 delta variant had at least one shot of the COVID vaccine, and fully vaccinated Brits were the largest group of deaths in that early sample!
Easy. Population differences.
When you have a country with 85%+ with one or more vaccine shots, the number of deaths from a known to be potentially fatal virus within this population is going to eventually exceed the unvaccinated population.
Consider two populations, one with 100% double dosed vaccinated population of 1M, the other with 0% vaccinated population of 1M. They're both hit with the same virus, that has a fatality rate of 0.1%, the vaccine is 92% efficacy (just like Pfizer, Moderna, etc).
OK population 1 (100% vaccinated) will have 80 deaths from the virus.
Population 2 (0% vaccinated) will have 1,000 deaths from the virus.
In context of those populations you have 100% of all deaths coming from vaccinated people in one of them. Which by your logic would imply the vaccine doesn't work. However comparing the two populations it clearly does, you've reduced total deaths by 920.
Now in your original post before you went to tortured statisticsville, the UK had 117 deaths of which 50 were from vaxxed patients. OK UK vaxxed population is 85% with one or more shots, and 65% with both. So at best 50 deaths came from 55M (85%) people, at worst they came from 42M (65%), but both are far greater populations than the 10M (15%) who had 67 deaths. I'll also point out that 50 is not a majority of 117. OK if we fast forward 6 months the UK will probably have close to 100% vaccine coverage, at that time there will probably still be covid deaths, but, far fewer than if they weren't vaccinated, just like we have flu deaths every year. That's kind of what's being aimed at.
Never said it's done nothing, but it clearly has gaps, otherwise then how do you explain these results out of the UK? A majority of the people dying of the COVID19 delta variant had at least one shot of the COVID vaccine, and fully vaccinated Brits were the largest group of deaths in that early sample!
99% of covid deaths/hospitalizations are from the unvaccinated.
For example, 80% vaccinated, 40% of deaths (50/117)....then the unvaccinated 20% with 60% of the deaths has a death rate 6x higher than those vaccinated. (rough numbers, would take a detailed review as to the %'s immunized by the various categories and match up the deaths etc. but the point stands in general.)
I work around above average to REALLY smart people on a daily basis. I sometimes forget just how innumerate and illogical the majority of people are. It's like the movie Idiocracy on a daily basis for me and it gets tiresome. Not that people shouldn't make their own personal decisions but that people go prosletyze those views without the capability to really understand what I consider to be basic math.
I got the two does of Pfizer. The first shot felt like the lightest pin prick, like the least painful shot I ever had. It was nothing
I wasn't watching the needle go in. It didn't feel like there was time enough for the liquid to go in.
Is this normal?
I got the two does of Pfizer. The first shot felt like the lightest pin prick, like the least painful shot I ever had. It was nothing
I wasn't watching the needle go in. It didn't feel like there was time enough for the liquid to go in.
Is this normal?
My second dose was the same way. The first dose I felt. My second dose, I didn't even feel and I would almost swear nothing was done!! Maybe just an artful shot-giver!
I got the two does of Pfizer. The first shot felt like the lightest pin prick, like the least painful shot I ever had. It was nothing
I wasn't watching the needle go in. It didn't feel like there was time enough for the liquid to go in.
Is this normal?
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Originally Posted by ChristineVA
My second dose was the same way. The first dose I felt. My second dose, I didn't even feel and I would almost swear nothing was done!! Maybe just an artful shot-giver!
Yes it is normal. I had a pretty strong reaction both times, although more-so after the first shot. But If you look at the clinical trial data, many people had no reaction at all to either.
There are lots of variables based on how the needle was inserted, and actually a skilled vaccinator can probably deliver it with no pain.
The fact that so many people have talked about the side-effects has made people who didn't experience anything paranoid, but in reality a large percentage of people in the clinical trials had no side effects or even pain in the injection site. It's just become almost a fad to mention them, and so the people who did have these are the most vocal about mentioning them.
So it is very normal if you had no pain or side effects.
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