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Pure projection. The big lie pretty much only existed in the right wing echo chamber.
You should be embarrassed. That has nothing to do with the topic of this thread (trauma suffered by deranged Leftists), and it's a silly and stupid lie in its own right.
Yeah but now we know without a doubt how treacherous the Establishment is. We also know without a doubt that there is in fact a deep state that is antithetical to democracy in any form. We also know that the driving force behind the left’s ideology is Marxism. The only difference is to what degree they think Marxist policies need to be implemented. Also, all of the left are willing to burn this country to the ground to get blue check marks and likes.
So there’s also that.
Transformative, no doubt. It’s time to break the psychopathic cycle of both the far left and the far right.
Curious. Where/when was the first time you heard someone say the left's goal is Marxism? Where did this trope come from? Thanks.
I love it. It shows that Trump still holds a lot of power with these people. They are scared. If they weren't scared of him coming back, they wouldn't care.
Well, Trump certainly has a hold on you, since you quite strongly think that he was, by far, one the best presidents in the history of the United States.
Yeah but now we know without a doubt how treacherous the Establishment is. We also know without a doubt that there is in fact a deep state that is antithetical to democracy in any form. We also know that the driving force behind the left’s ideology is Marxism. The only difference is to what degree they think Marxist policies need to be implemented. Also, all of the left are willing to burn this country to the ground to get blue check marks and likes.
So there’s also that.
Transformative, no doubt. It’s time to break the psychopathic cycle of both the far left and the far right.
No, I don't know the above. What rogue website taught you the above to be facts?
Curious. Where/when was the first time you heard someone say the left's goal is Marxism? Where did this trope come from? Thanks.
You have to understand how the dialectical method works. You have to understand Marxism is a continuum from one system to the next culminating in a stateless communist regime that is so perfect history is complete. God recognizes itself. Once you learn that you will understand.
classless primitive state > slave state > feudalism > capitalism > socialism > communism
Marx thought socialism would replace capitalism and communism would replace socialism and that would come naturally because of the imbalances and needs of a society. He didn’t think there’d need to be anything to force its hand. As it turned out the revolution only happened in backwards Russia and it didn’t happen naturally from the “workers of the world unite,” it came by force.
Those failures are what led to the Frankfurt School, Gramsci’s “Cultural Hegemony” (read: Cultural Marxism) and Critical Theory. CRT is a subset of CT using race instead of class as the fulcrum point to bend society towards the eventuality of a stateless communist Utopia.
Gramsci’s ideas are what we are dealing with today. He basically said that the culture of “the West” was like a fortification of the society when economic times get hard, it steps in to soften the burden. He saw culture as religion, law, academia, media and family. Those structures had to be brought down before the state would go through violent revolution or some other means. Gramsci called this a “war of position.”
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Consequently, it was his view that "one should refrain from facile rhetoric about direct attacks against the State and concentrate instead on the difficult and immensely complicated tasks that a 'war of position' within civil society entails" (Buttigieg, 2005:41). Described by Gramsci as "the only viable possibility in the West," a 'war of position' is resistance to domination with culture, rather than physical might, as its foundation (Gramsci, 2007:168). Cox succinctly describes a 'war of position' as process which "slowly builds up the strength of the social foundations of a new state" by "creating alternative institutions and alternative intellectual resources within existing society" (Cox, 1983:165). For Gramsci, issues of culture are what lie at the heart of any revolutionary project; culture is "how class is lived," it shapes how people see their world and how they maneuver within in it and, more importantly, "it shapes their ability to imagine how it might be changed, and whether they see such changes as feasible or desirable" (Crehan, 2002:71). The complex program of radical social change in a modern liberal democracy, as described by Gramsci, involves more than anything, developing a strong and dynamic culture capable of establishing the necessary institutions for a subversion of hegemony.
So obviously the Marxist concluded that the revolution was not going to happen on its own, it had to be forced. That requires someone who is trying to hold on to society as it is (conservative) and someone that is trying to change society to something more egalitarian (progressive).
In Marxian conflict theory history is a zero sum game between those two previous actors. Let’s call them oppressor versus the oppressed. Protagonist and antagonist. The goal? To get us to Utopia as fast as possible without passing go.
That’s where the liberals come in. They actually have the same goals as the Marxist but they’re Marxist light. Remember, you have to pick a side in this, you can’t be either or. You’re either racist or anti-racist. Oops, I mean oppressor or the oppressed. There’s no room for fence-sitters.
So if history only moves in one direction, and it would seem that that is the case (entropy) then there is one group keeping the Utopia from happening and they are evil and must be dealt with. They are stopping all of us from living in a wonderful bliss! How backwards can someone be? How can they be so evil?
So you don’t really get to be liberal. The revolution is coming one way or another and if you’re not with the radicals then you’re against them. They make that clear.
So what does that even mean? I believe Marx is correct. One day there will be a stateless society where we will all be a jumbled equal hot mess. And it’ll be great. By that time you will either be a robot or some hybrid. The problem is trying to bounce society of communism until it catches hasn’t worked out so well. It was really really bad in backwards Russia and then it was really really bad in backwards China. So forth and so on. The places where it takes hold do not contain the material conditions to make a completely egalitarian society. You would need something like a high 4th or 5th level economy I would imagine. No one knows because it hasn’t worked in the past and reality tells us there are no utopias.
So anyways, that’s what I meant. The radicals on the left took your small “l” liberal and smashed it. They stole your language and causes and radicalized them in to what we are dealing with today.
Obviously that’s so simpleminded but that’s the depth of what we’re dealing with essentially. Obviously there’s 200 years of literature on this so you can certainly dive as deep as you want. And I’ll leave you with this hoping it peaks your curiosity. The agitation that keeps the jumbled mess moving towards Utopia, the dialectical:
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So what is this absolute method? The abstraction of movement. What is the abstraction of movement? Movement in abstract condition. What is movement in abstract condition? The purely logical formula of movement or the movement of pure reason. Wherein does the movement of pure reason consist? In posing itself, opposing itself, composing itself; in formulating itself as thesis, antithesis, synthesis; or, yet, in affirming itself, negating itself, and negating its negation.
How does reason manage to affirm itself, to pose itself in a definite category? That is the business of reason itself and of its apologists.
But once it has managed to pose itself as a thesis, this thesis, this thought, opposed to itself, splits up into two contradictory thoughts – the positive and the negative, the yes and no. The struggle between these two antagonistic elements comprised in the antithesis constitutes the dialectical movement. The yes becoming no, the no becoming yes, the yes becoming both yes and no, the no becoming both no and yes, the contraries balance, neutralize, paralyze each other. The fusion of these two contradictory thoughts constitutes a new thought, which is the synthesis of them. This thought splits up once again into two contradictory thoughts, which in turn fuse into a new synthesis. Of this travail is born a group of thoughts. This group of thoughts follows the same dialectic movement as the simple category, and has a contradictory group as antithesis. Of these two groups of thoughts is born a new group of thoughts, which is the antithesis of them.
Just as from the dialectic movement of the simple categories is born the group, so from the dialectic movement of the groups is born the series, and from the dialectic movement of the series is born the entire system.
IOWs do the opposite of the traditional system from now until Utopia comes. Negate the negation that you just negotiated that was previously negated last week. From constant ridicule comes perfection. (The Young Hegelians are probably vomiting right now).
So you have a traditional stance like marriage. We can’t just abolish marriage so we start attacking piece by piece and if we can deal a death blow to the foundation of marriage that would be best. Boom, a step closer to Utopia. Even if all it gained was gay marriage. We keep chipping away until that institution is nothing but a shell of its former self and it will be ripened for the revolution.
Let’s pick another traditional position and do the same. Rinse and repeat until the protagonist wins You see, every single inch is a win and a move closer to Utopia.
So you could help fight the radicals and help keep small “l” liberalism alive, a slower decent toward Utopia. If they get there way it will not be liberal and more than likely we will have missed the “all aboard” utopian night train by decades. Or maybe not, maybe the overlords know exactly what they’re doing because 45 supercomputers confirmed it, idk. All I know is changing to something just for change is not good. We need details. We need facts. Instead all we’re getting is “you’ll like it when it’s passed.” When confronted we get gaslit, lied to outright, smeared, cancelled, etc.
It’s really not terribly healthy political environment and I tend to look at general direction and try to asses the speed at which we’re going. We’re polarizing further and further and as far as I can tell it’s speeding up. That’s not good. And one side has literally been training for a revolution while the other had no freaking clue. No idea what a war of position is. No idea there was a target. They’re lucky to spend 5 minutes looking at candidates before they vote.
Rant off.
Last edited by BigJon3475; 07-09-2021 at 06:38 PM..
Agreed people have become unhinged with this man and lost their most basic common senses.
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