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Old 12-30-2021, 02:32 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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Let's say we go with the pro-abortion/pro-choice contingent that someone else's unwanted life can be extinguished at will. That means someone can kill their neighbor because they're playing their music too loud. Everyone on board with that?
No so, Okay then we will give the unborn 14th Amendment rights and incarcerate all women suspected of endangering the life, liberty and pursuit of happiness of the child's she is carrying ... that works for someone, but I'm not sure who.

Legally there is no protecting them both so a choice has/had to be made.

However, I do believe the Federal government has too much power and each State should be given the right to decide and let the voters of the State carry the burden of the law, for a change.

 
Old 12-30-2021, 02:37 PM
 
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No one ha ever said that except you. Abortion is the removal of a non-viable fetus from a woman's body. How you can conflate that with your approval of killing the neighbor for loud music makes absolutely no sense at all.
Only an extremist nutjob would kill the neighbor over loud music when they could just ask them to turn it down or call the police to enforce noise ordinances if they don't want to engage with the neighbor.
 
Old 12-30-2021, 02:39 PM
 
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You did when you tried to cover up the fact, by changing the semester of the pregnancy to suit, so as, to deny the fact that pro-abortion do refer to the pregnancy as a clump of cells. They also call the unborn a fetus as if using a science term makes killing a human being okay.

btw: I'm not the middle poster between you and IC ---
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There is no fact to cover up for the pro-choice side when it comes to fetal homicide laws. Pro choice women are not advocating these laws be repealed or declared unconstitutional.

Only the so called pro-life side is advocating against them in order to wage war on abortion rights.

The clump of cells was a red herring that IC threw out because she had nothing rational to say to someone like Sharon Rocha. The fact is she is using the issue to wage war on abortion rights. She can't tell Sharon Rocha honestly that its something the pro-choice side is doing.

Fact is IC doesn't care about the children covered by fetal homicide or their grieving families. She and others who push this argument are only using them. There is zero way around that which is why she tried to blame it on pro-choice women.

BTW I did not change anything to suit. I brought up a very specific example because Sharon Rocha was a very vocal advocate for these laws. She herself said they had nothing to do with abortion.
And a good lawyer will get that case thrown out, as well, if they haven't already.
 
Old 12-30-2021, 02:43 PM
 
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No one ha ever said that except you. Abortion is the removal of a non-viable fetus from a woman's body. How you can conflate that with your approval of killing the neighbor for loud music makes absolutely no sense at all.
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Only an extremist nutjob would kill the neighbor over loud music when they could just ask them to turn it down or call the police to enforce noise ordinances if they don't want to engage with the neighbor.
And only those who are truly desperate will kill a defenseless human. In walks Roe v Wade ... no fuss, no muss.
 
Old 12-30-2021, 02:46 PM
 
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And only those who are truly desperate will kill a defenseless human. In walks Roe v Wade ... no fuss, no muss.
That is nothing more than your opinion.

You are of course entitled to believe that, but it isn't true for many women who choose abortion over carrying a pregnancy to term.
 
Old 12-30-2021, 02:52 PM
 
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No need. The word abortion is not needed as women already have the fundamental right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. All of those things are precluded by an unwanted pregnancy which any state seeks to force to delivery.

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SCOTUS interpretation, soon to come, matters.

Blondy's will not overrule that.

Bring the popcorn for that wonderful ruling released in about 6 months.
 
Old 12-30-2021, 02:59 PM
 
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SCOTUS interpretation, soon to come, matters.

Blondy's will not overrule that.

Bring the popcorn for that wonderful ruling released in about 6 months.
Again, you seem to be deluded in your belief that any SCOTUS ruling is permanent.

However, your callus popcorn munching in the face of something of such importance to women is noted.
 
Old 12-30-2021, 03:04 PM
 
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And only those who are truly desperate will kill a defenseless human. In walks Roe v Wade ... no fuss, no muss.
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That is nothing more than your opinion.

You are of course entitled to believe that, but it isn't true for many women who choose abortion over carrying a pregnancy to term.
Interesting enough, Roe had the baby. I guess she wasn't as desperate as they thought she would be given her position in life.
 
Old 12-30-2021, 03:18 PM
 
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Interesting enough, Roe had the baby. I guess she wasn't as desperate as they thought she would be given her position in life.
Not sure what your point is.

Norma McCorvey led a pretty desperate life aside from bearing 3 children given up willingly or not to adoption.

She had the third child because she was unable to obtain either a legal or illegal abortion which she also sought.
 
Old 12-30-2021, 03:21 PM
 
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Again, you seem to be deluded in your belief that any SCOTUS ruling is permanent.

However, your callus popcorn munching in the face of something of such importance to women is noted.
It will stick no matter how they rule. From there, states will vary in their approach, plus in how quickly they apply their approach.
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