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Old 12-05-2021, 01:16 PM
 
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The MS law does not prohibit that. It only prohibits "demonstrating how to apply a condom." Bananas, pictures, and inanimate objects don't use or apply condoms.
Of course, bananas, etc. don't use or apply condoms, but they can demonstrate how a condom should be used. Your statement to imply otherwise defies logic.

 
Old 12-05-2021, 01:18 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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If every woman having an abortion today perfectly used birth control and did not become pregnant, the end result would be the same. What's your beef?
The deliberate killing of a human life. That's my beef.
 
Old 12-05-2021, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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This is where law is inconsistent, as murdered pregnant women have had killers charged with 2 counts of murder, at times.
I 100% agree that fetal homicide and similar laws are inconsistent with legal abortion. My personal view is that Roe v. Wade was not a good decision from a purely legal standpoint, but I support choice as a matter of policy. I don't support the fetal homicide laws because of that inconsistency. The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 is a good example (https://www.congress.gov/108/plaws/p...108publ212.pdf). That is an example of bad facts making bad law (it followed to murder of Laci Peterson). If you read it, it is clear that it applies regardless of the state of the fetus' development. I think it makes sense to have such a law for women who are farther along (like Laci Peterson was), at a point where an abortion would not be legal. I would also support an increased punishment for the order or assault of a woman if the motive for the crime was her pregnancy (such as the increased penalties we have for hate crimes or other exacerbating factors).
 
Old 12-05-2021, 01:21 PM
 
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Drunk driving includes consequences involving other fully formed humans.

Abortion does not.
Moot point. Fetal homicide laws have already set the legal precedent that an unborn child is a separate human life. People can be and are charged with and convicted of homicide for killing an unborn child.
 
Old 12-05-2021, 01:25 PM
 
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Abortion is not homicide.
It is the deliberate killing of what has been legally established as a separate human life. Those who do such are charged with and convicted of homicide. And that's where the Constitution's Equal Protection Clause comes in... Either anyone can kill an unborn child, or no one can. Can't have it both ways.
 
Old 12-05-2021, 01:26 PM
 
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I was one for whom SCOTUS picks ranked sky high in 2016 elections, but this column is spot on regarding the overhype of this issue. James Carville said it best, and it is always the case "It's the economy, stupid" = Issue #1 all the time.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politic...ll-be-n1539027
 
Old 12-05-2021, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Legally, "my body, my choice" was invalidated by states and the federal government implementing mask and vaccine mandates. Furthermore, the claim that a fetus is "just a clump of cells" was invalidated by fetal homicide laws which established the legal precedent that an unborn child is a separate human life.
So, InfomedConsent, just how many times do you have to be told that states allow an exception to fetal homicide laws when a woman gets an abortion. For proof:

"Indiana Senate Enrolled Act 203 states that killing a fetus at any stage of development is murder unless the woman terminates her own pregnancy or obtains an abortion. Applicable to Indiana Code 35-42-1-1, 35-42-1-3, 35-42-1-4, 35-42-1-6"
 
Old 12-05-2021, 01:27 PM
 
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But the rate of abortion keeps on dropping. If the government would do more to encourage women to have children, such as do more to help raise them, it would help.
It's not the government's responsibility or purview to raise anyone's children. There's no need nor any legal basis to provide such "help."
 
Old 12-05-2021, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Why would it be hard? Are you saying that society wouldn't support a charitable organization that funds and provides access to abortions for rape victims?
Yeah, but I wouldn't be surprised if Republican legislators would want to ban such charities, whether from the state or national level.
 
Old 12-05-2021, 01:31 PM
 
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This is where law is inconsistent, as murdered pregnant women have had killers charged with 2 counts of murder, at times.
A pregnant woman doesn't have to be murdered for her unborn child's killer to be prosecuted for homicide. All that has to happen is that the unborn child was killed.

Example:

Doctor Slipped an Abortion Pill in Pregnant Girlfriend's Drink, Causing Her to Miscarry
https://people.com/crime/doctor-drug...abortion-pill/
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