Mississippi asks Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade; says 1973 decision was "egregiously wrong" (Washington, United States)
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Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. You care wrong.
No, I am not wrong. Anyone and everyone can read the US Constitution and the 14th Amendment. States MUST treat ANY person within their jurisdiction THE SAME AS ANY OTHER PERSONS under their laws.
Again, regarding "rights"... If states can regulate/restrict gun rights, and they do (even red states do), they can regulate/restrict abortion. Keeping and bearing arms is a specifically enumerated Constitutional Right. Abortion is only a "perceived" right.
It's either one or the other. Either states are allowed to regulate/restrict rights, or they're not. Can't have it both ways.
Again, regarding "rights"... If states can regulate/restrict gun rights, and they do (even red states do), they can regulate/restrict abortion. Keeping and bearing arms is a specifically enumerated Constitutional Right. Abortion is only a "perceived" right.
It's either one or the other. Either states are allowed to regulate/restrict rights, or they're not. Can't have it both ways.
No one has said abortion can't be regulated. You are arguing with yourself. All rights can be regulated.
You should be more concerned about what the conservative men waging war on women have planned if they get the court to overturn Roe v Wade. They will still need to come up with red meat to toss to the rabid base. The right to privacy underpins lots of other rights people enjoy today.
They will probably start with gay marriage. But, don't think for a second that your rights to contraception might not come next.
They can't win elections without talking about or engaging in taking rights away because they have nothing to offer women, minorities or young people that they want.
No one has said abortion can't be regulated. You are arguing with yourself. All rights can be regulated.
You should be more concerned about what the conservative men waging war on women have planned if they get the court to overturn Roe v Wade. They will still need to come up with red meat to toss to the rabid base. The right to privacy underpins lots of other rights people enjoy today.
They will probably start with gay marriage. But, don't think for a second that your rights to contraception might not come next.
They can't win elections without talking about or engaging in taking rights away because they have nothing to offer women, minorities or young people that they want.
For the millionth time, I am against abortion but not in favor of making it illegal. You seem eager to always put words in my mouth. Furthermore, they would not be “forced to raise them.” Adoption is an option and states have surrender laws.
And I don’t believe that women in the US in 2021 don’t know these things, even in “poor and dumb” Mississippi.
I taught for years in one of the lowest achieving schools in Mississippi, and while not everyone is that dumb, there are many who are.
I knew one young lady, an 18-year-old junior whose understanding of pregnancy was so misguided that it became a school legend. In a discussion of what the navel is for, many students were unaware that the fetus is attached to the mother via the placenta. That led to the discussion of what the placenta is for and how the fetus gets its nourishment. This particular young lady was so shocked about this that someone asked her how she thought the fetus got its food. Her answer was she thought that the baby just reached into its mother's stomach to get french fries or whatever. Even the other students who didn't know about the placenta weren't that dumb, but J was.
She ended up leaving to enroll in a GED program, but I'm not sure if she ever finished it. It was not unusual to have students age out before earning enough credits to graduate, and many of them were parents before graduation. Some were even parents in middle school before the age of consent. Clearly health and reproductive education is sorely lacking if you can get to the age of reproduction without knowing how it works.
Moral of the story: Don't underestimate how dumb that dumb can be.
ETA: I was reminded that many students and some teachers at this school thought that glasses have medicine in them that makes you be able to see.
Last edited by lhpartridge; 12-07-2021 at 04:21 PM..
Reason: Corrected word choice and added anecdote.
Jobs and co-workers are temporary. Even some friends and neighbors are temporary. A child is for the rest of your life and nothing will ever change that. I think a woman who carries her baby to full term and then puts it up for adoption out of love and concern for the baby they brought into this world would earn more respect from her peers than a woman who chose abortion. Women who choose abortion often have remorse and regret of their decision later in life which can lead to severe depression because of that loss of their child.
Yes, but the mother knows. She will always know that part of her life is missing with no easy out from her thoughts of what her child might have been and a child's love that was forever lost because she made that choice.
What you think is what you want to think. A woman who perceives a foreign body growing inside her as alien or parasitic like a cancer, does not view it with love and does not consider herself to have lost a loving child once it is gone. She may never even think of it again, even if she goes on to have wanted children.
If you have had an abortion that you regret, you still cannot generalize your experience to other women and girls who wanted to end their pregnancies. The proverbial walk in another's moccasins applies here.
This is some interesting research that shows the abortion issue may be a much larger factor in upcoming elections than people think. It's not just the economy.......stupid lol.
It indicates that a large number of people are currently only vaguely aware if at all with regard to the threat to legal abortion and when made aware abortion becomes a much bigger issue to them.
This is some interesting research that shows the abortion issue may be a much larger factor in upcoming elections than people think. It's not just the economy.......stupid lol.
It indicates that a large number of people are currently only vaguely aware if at all with regard to the threat to legal abortion and when made aware abortion becomes a much bigger issue to them.
I agree. If Roe is overturned and all the state trigger laws start kicking in, there will be huge demonstrations in the streets in every state and large cities. I wouldn't be surprised if people in states with those trigger laws aren't even aware of them.
On number 2, being pro-choice means you don’t mind if other people kill their unborn children. That’s immoral and reprehensible.
Well, if you're pro-life and think all abortion is outright murder, what if I think it's highly immoral and reprehensible of you, if you not regularly spend time outside of abortion clinics begging and pleading with women not to enter?
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