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Old 12-08-2021, 12:23 PM
 
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
The regulation of abortion will return to each of the states, where it belongs. That's no big deal as states already regulate Constitutional gun rights. Even red states have laws that place restrictions on the Constitutional Right to keep and bear arms. They can likewise legislate restrictions on abortion.
Many women in the red states will have to travel to the blue states, and only the well off will be able to do that. Some of the red states are champing at the bit to have no abortions at all. It's a shame. I was hoping that in this instance anyway that the U.S. was progressing instead of going backward.

 
Old 12-08-2021, 12:24 PM
 
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The GOP has a strong advantage going into midterms right now. Overturning RvW will wipe that out. This shows clearly they prefer the religious right over woman, and that message will be told VERY clearly. This might be enough to hand midterms back to democrats.
I think just the Senate and maybe governor races, not the House, as the House is shaped by effects of gerrymandering.

For example, Dr. Oz will have to answer for his abortion beliefs and he will have to be pro life to win the Republican support but that will alienate a lot of suburban women. The Democrats can run a better candidate and win that seat.

In order though for Democrats to pass legislation that increases the Supreme Court and restore RvW, they would need majorities in the House and Senate and that doesn't seem likely, but maybe with an increased presence in the Senate, they can eliminate the filibuster (bypassing Manchin) which would be a small step for progressive reform in the future.

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Old 12-08-2021, 12:27 PM
 
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I'm disagreeing with your opinion that the only group opposed to abortion is religious.

That opinion is dead wrong.

There are plenty of secular groups that are against abortion. You just don't hear a lot about them because the "religious" argument doesn't work against them and most pro abortion people have literally no other argument. So they avoid those groups altogether since they can't defend abortion any other way except ... 'because religion.'

Pro life movement is and has been gaining steadily over the last decade. If you haven't realized that, you haven't done your homework. And it's not because of religion. And it's not just "old people."
Pro-choice people have plenty of arguments, you just don't agree with them.

Your not agreeing with those arguments has no effect on the validity of those positions.
 
Old 12-08-2021, 12:29 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Continuing an unwanted pregnancy IS a huge economic issue.
For what percent of the US population? Only a tiny amount. Do the math and you'll see why abortion is a concern to only a very small percentage of American voters.
 
Old 12-08-2021, 12:29 PM
 
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The people who are going to be impacted by this are largely poor women. Most babies will not be white. Many will be born addicted to drugs. Many will have health problems, some of them severe. Many babies will be born and the mothers will intend to keep them but then end up abusing them or neglecting them, so they'll end up in foster care. There are not lines of "nice people" waiting to adopt these children.

The good news, though, is that you can get started today, right this minute, in your quest to raise someone else's child! No foster care agency will turn you away for being a single woman. As you said, this isn't 1973. Single people adopt all. the. time. So call your nearest foster care agency and sign up! The country desperately needs homes for the children currently in foster care, and the number is about to skyrocket. Let us know when you have a child placed with you, and thanks for caring and volunteering to take on this responsibility!
Stop throwing the irresponsibility of pro-abortion women on the shoulders of us pro-lifers! Just because we don't believe in abortion does not and should not obligate us to care for their unwanted offspring when they are born. As I said, start making them responsible for engaging in unprotected sex by stopping to support them and their broods. Take care of your own damned problems that you created yourself!
 
Old 12-08-2021, 12:32 PM
 
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My prediction is that 90% of America’s women are going to become rabid Democrats. They don’t take kindly to being treated as livestock and chattel property.
Republicans aren't giving them any choice
 
Old 12-08-2021, 12:33 PM
 
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Take care of your own damned problems that you created yourself!
That's what some responsible people are trying to do when they get an abortion, knowing they can't or won't give a child the care it needs. It's called taking care of their own problem.
 
Old 12-08-2021, 12:35 PM
 
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Continuing an unwanted pregnancy IS a huge economic issue.

Recent research shows otherwise that its not a huge issue. Most people aren't paying that much attention to the current case and even those who do don't fully comprehend that it could overturn Roe v Wade.

The idea that you can take rights away from people without facing a huge backlash is ludicrous.
Total BS. Constitutional gun rights are taken away from Americans all the time. And there are MANY MILLIONS more gun owners in the US than there are women seeking an abortion.

If states can regulate/restrict gun rights, and they do (even red states do), they can regulate/restrict abortion. Keeping and bearing arms is a specifically enumerated Constitutional Right. Abortion is only a "perceived" right.

It's either one or the other. Either states are allowed to regulate/restrict rights, or they're not. Can't have it both ways.
 
Old 12-08-2021, 12:40 PM
 
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Many women in the red states will have to travel to the blue states, and only the well off will be able to do that. Some of the red states are champing at the bit to have no abortions at all. It's a shame. I was hoping that in this instance anyway that the U.S. was progressing instead of going backward.
How is that any different than blue states chomping at the bit to ban all guns? Constitutional gun rights are taken away from Americans all the time. And there are MANY MILLIONS more gun owners in the US than there are women seeking an abortion.

If states can regulate/restrict gun rights, and they do (even red states do), they can regulate/restrict abortion. Keeping and bearing arms is a specifically enumerated Constitutional Right. Abortion is only a "perceived" right.

It's either one or the other. Either states are allowed to regulate/restrict rights, or they're not. Can't have it both ways.
 
Old 12-08-2021, 12:43 PM
 
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We are not discussing the merits of SCOTUS decision here. This is not a pro-choice vs. pro-life debate. We are discussing what sort of things would happen in America after the SCOTUS decision.
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