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What about the unlawful taking of the job, as well as, the closing of their businesses?
In that case, their beef is with the entity that took their job not their landlord. If someone does you wrong that doesn't entitle you to do someone else wrong.
I think there is a big percentage of them yes. That is why I posted the article from Forbes. You don't know if there were people taking advantage or not, you're just assuming it.
It's an extremely safe assumption. Just as I assume that there are people out there committing crimes at this moment.
"The nationwide moratorium on evictions – put in place nearly 11 months ago by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention as an emergency measure – expired this past weekend, although President Joe Biden has proposed extending it. The end of the moratorium, which was intended to protect tenants who couldn’t make their rent payments because of the COVID-19 pandemic, has alarmed tenant advocates, housing experts and others who fear that potentially millions of renters could be put out of their homes."
They can be alarmed all they want but they have no moral basis to demand that landlords bear the cost of it. They can pony up rent assistance if they are so alarmed.
What about the unlawful taking of the job, as well as, the closing of their businesses?
I think there is a big percentage of them yes. That is why I posted the article from Forbes. You don't know if there were people taking advantage or not, you're just assuming it.
"The COVID-19 pandemic resulted in millions of lost jobs. In turn, many Americans struggled to keep up with rent. Faced with the threat of a massive wave of evictions, the federal government stepped in to halt certain evictions for nonpayment of rent. These protections kept millions of Americans housed and likely prevented further spread of COVID-19. Some states and localities imposed their own moratoriums. However, many evictions still took place as landlords, hit with their own financial challenges, utilized techniques allowable under the law to remove tenants. The temporary eviction protections also did little to help heavily indebted tenants owing back rent, which led economists and housing experts to warn about a possible eviction tsunami once the moratoriums end."
"The nationwide moratorium on evictions – put in place nearly 11 months ago by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention as an emergency measure – expired this past weekend, although President Joe Biden has proposed extending it. The end of the moratorium, which was intended to protect tenants who couldn’t make their rent payments because of the COVID-19 pandemic, has alarmed tenant advocates, housing experts and others who fear that potentially millions of renters could be put out of their homes."
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Originally Posted by oceangaia
In that case, their beef is with the entity that took their job not their landlord. If someone does you wrong that doesn't entitle you to do someone else wrong.
Look at you bypassing the unlawful elephant in the room --- the one that lost them their job and/or their business and wedged itself in between the person and their contract.
The government can do nothing wrong, but everything right. Anyone caught suffering it is their fault. Got it.
Look at you bypassing the unlawful elephant in the room --- the one that lost them their job and/or their business and wedged itself in between the person and their contract.
The government can do nothing wrong, but everything right. Anyone caught suffering it is their fault. Got it.
Whose posts were you reading that gave you the message that they believed government has not done anything wrong? Certainly not mine. Look at you bypassing basic common sense that innocent private citizens (landlords) should not pay the price for the wrongs committed by another party.
If you think it's ok for a person to not pay the rent they agree to pay for a place to live because the govt shut down their employer, you probably think it's ok for them to rob and steal for the same reason. That's what the rent moratorium essentially is - government-sanctioned theft by a tenant of a landlord's assets.
Look at you bypassing the unlawful elephant in the room --- the one that lost them their job and/or their business and wedged itself in between the person and their contract.
The government can do nothing wrong, but everything right. Anyone caught suffering it is their fault. Got it.
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Originally Posted by oceangaia
Whose posts were you reading that gave you the message that they believed government has not done anything wrong? Certainly not mine. Look at you bypassing basic common sense that innocent private citizens (landlords) should not pay the price for the wrongs committed by another party.
If you think it's ok for a person to not pay the rent they agree to pay for a place to live because the govt shut down their employer, you probably think it's ok for them to rob and steal for the same reason. That's what the rent moratorium essentially is - government-sanctioned theft by a tenant of a landlord's assets.
It seems both are cross talking one another. The way I read your comments, both believe the government shutting down business is why we are in this mess. Can you agree to agree?
It seems both are cross talking one another. The way I read your comments, both believe the government shutting down business is why we are in this mess. Can you agree to agree?
I think we can agree that government mandates lockdowns and restrictions caused many people to lose their jobs and face economic hardships. But this thread isn't about that. This thread is about eviction moratoriums which he seems to support. He thinks it is justified to rob Peter to pay Paul by interfering with private leases between landlords and tenants, telling tenants they don't have to pay the rent and are entitled to stay, blocking landlord's attempts to collect their rent or repossess their property. At the same time, the landlords were given no reprieve from paying their own bills.
there's plenty of data to show how jobs and incomes were impacted, to show how stimulus checks were used, to show what % of prior income was covered by unemployment, to show what % of renters were behind before March 1 2020 and since.
I think *most* people would support the cases where someone earned $X as Feb '20, then their job shut down, and they haven't been able to find equal employment. That's not more than 1MM households though, and you need to consider what they DID get and offset their rent due by some of that amount. Even if 1MM households needed $20K to pay the difference for rent, that's just $20B. Not $45B.
during the Great Recession, unemployment was above 9% for 2.5 YEARS. We had unemployment above 9% for 4 MONTHS.
Unemployment since Oct '20 (the month after the moratorium) has been below what it was for five YEARS.
If we didn't have a moratorium then, and we didn't pay people's rent for them then .... why do we need to do either now? Beyond the time period the economy was severely hampered (incomes were down)?
I think we can agree that government mandates lockdowns and restrictions caused many people to lose their jobs and face economic hardships. But this thread isn't about that. This thread is about eviction moratoriums which he seems to support. He thinks it is justified to rob Peter to pay Paul by interfering with private leases between landlords and tenants, telling tenants they don't have to pay the rent and are entitled to stay, blocking landlord's attempts to collect their rent or repossess their property. At the same time, the landlords were given no reprieve from paying their own bills.
That's not true.
There was $45 billion in rent relief with only about 10% of that left the States hands. Some articles explained where as the landlord did not provide their tenet with the information there was rent relief. So many didn't even know a resource was available to them, until much later in this game the States intervened and provided that is was against the law for landlords to withhold that information. Other landlords did not want Big Brother snooping around so they wouldn't take the money. Other landlords paid the moratorium no mind and continued with eviction proceedings and the judges followed suit all throughout the year 2020.
The other assumption that is being made is that $35K. The extended benefits were there only for a time $600 PUA, available for 5 months of the year 2020 $6000.00. Each State is different on how they calculate a person's earning in how much a person will be able to claim on their UI --- keep in mind that the person neither took home their gross earnings (35k) before or after receiving benefits as % portion always gets taken for Federal Income Tax.
Budget in Health Care, as they lost the job benefits
Budget in Child Care, as well, as they still needed that in order for those their business closed where as they were working is no longer there, for the them to go back to work to, they need the child care in order to look for a job to replace the one they had.
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