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Old 08-12-2021, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Our Fake Media and lying social media giants have blocked information that would save lives and I believe they did so because they wanted to make the number of deaths from covid as high as possible in the hopes that it would elect a Democrat President and it worked. They are responsible for most of the deaths and they got our Weekend at Bernie's corpse of a President that they can control.
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Old 08-12-2021, 07:27 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Big diff between unproven and proven vaccines.


Then there was the press conference in April, 2020, where he went on about using ultra- violet light or injecting disinfectant.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zicGxU5MfwE

Subsequent, the WH responded, Trump was joking. In the midst of a global pandemic, POTUS decides to joke about cures?

Then there was Trump’s fascination with Hydroxychloroquine to prevent and cure Covid. Trump claimed to be taking it and ordered the Federal Government to procure massive supplies of it.

Then there was Junior and his retweet of a doctor who promoted Hydroxychloroquine. This doctor also promoted the believe devils and space aliens had sex with people while asleep and in doing so infected them with Covid and disease.

Obviously Hydroxychloroquine did not prevent Trump from being infected. It did not reduce symptoms and Trump had to be hospitalized. And he was most definitely NOT treated with Hydroxychloroquine.

Trump said so is not the same thing as FDA approval.
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Old 08-12-2021, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Our Fake Media and lying social media giants have blocked information that would save lives and I believe they did so because they wanted to make the number of deaths from covid as high as possible in the hopes that it would elect a Democrat President and it worked. They are responsible for most of the deaths and they got our Weekend at Bernie's corpse of a President that they can control.
Some pro Trump media said once the election was over, media would cease reporting Covid.

Obviously, they got that wrong.

Enough of the masses ignored CDC recommendations to avoid gathering over the protracted holiday period. Once again, hospitalizations and deaths soared beyond the 500,000 mark and grows daily. Covid has remained the top news story for the past 17 months.

The delta variant was detected in the US in March, 2021 and quickly became the dominate virus. All vaccines were developed, trialed and approved before the delta variant emerged. The vaccines are not as effective at preventing breakthrough infections although vaccine has provided more protection against serious symptoms, hospitalizations and deaths. The majority of those seriously sickened by the delta variant are unvaccinated.

Nearly 4.5 Billion doses of vaccine have been administer on a global basis.
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Old 08-12-2021, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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The Democrats and their media has certainly caused unneeded suffering and even deaths with their Trump hating.



Yes Trump said some crazy things as the covid crisis spread but so did Dr Fauci and the other experts. I seriously doubt that Obama, Hillary or Biden would have done any better in the early days as the pandemic unfolded.

Let's not forget that Trump moved to shut down travel from China and the Dems called him a racist.



Trump has made a career using his ideas, his optimism and he brought that to the WH. The problem is the Left attacked him for thinking out loud. They also attacked him for trying to keep up the optimism. As more was known about the infectious nature of covid would it had been better if Trump had just threw his hands in the air and said "we are all going to die" ?



Trump was right more than he was wrong and he is the bad guy while Dr Fauci was wrong more than he was right and he is a hero?



Trump knew the dangers of shutting down the economy and we are still digging out from the wreck but the Democrats saw the opportunity to shut down Trump's greatest accomplishment.
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Old 08-12-2021, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Some pro Trump media said once the election was over, media would cease reporting Covid.

Obviously, they got that wrong.

Enough of the masses ignored CDC recommendations to avoid gathering over the protracted holiday period. Once again, hospitalizations and deaths soared beyond the 500,000 mark and grows daily. Covid has remained the top news story for the past 17 months.

The delta variant was detected in the US in March, 2021 and quickly became the dominate virus. All vaccines were developed, trialed and approved before the delta variant emerged. The vaccines are not as effective at preventing breakthrough infections although vaccine has provided more protection against serious symptoms, hospitalizations and deaths. The majority of those seriously sickened by the delta variant are unvaccinated.

Nearly 4.5 Billion doses of vaccine have been administer on a global basis.
Doctors are reporting that people are so wholly convinced that Covid is/was a hoax that they refuse to believe that they have it even when being intubated.
That belief didn’t come from CNN, etc.

Sorry OP, it’s the Trump-loving media that have created the current crisis in Arkansas, Mississippi, Florida…
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Old 08-12-2021, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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When Trump was treated for Covid, the treatment was new and not widespread. It is now.

When Trump was treated for Covid, the treatment was widely reported by ... the media.

Go figure.

There goes the idiotic "IT'S THE MEDIA'S FAULT!!!!!1!!!!! theory.

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Let's not forget that Trump moved to shut down travel from China and the Dems called him a racist.
Let's not forget that Trump's move to shut down travel from China was aimed only at Chinese nationals, and not anyone else traveling into the U.S. from China.
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Old 08-12-2021, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Had our Trump-Hating, Fifth Colum media, paid more attention to the success of this treatment early on, instead of ignoring it and constantly engaging in fear mongering and hand wringing, the likelihood is that more hospitals would have turned to the treatment and less deaths and suffering would have occurred in America.

JWK
Agree. The way the anti-science, Trump-haters freaked out and opposed anything Trump promoted, has set back medical advances in COVID treatments. These TDS afflicted managed to turn the public's perceptions of a safe drug called Hydroxychloroquine into a killer experimental drug. As soon as Trump said he had high hopes for Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, they were immediately vilified, and so was anyone who dared to report the results of their trials with the drugs.
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Old 08-12-2021, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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When Trump was treated for Covid, the treatment was new and not widespread. It is now.

When Trump was treated for Covid, the treatment was widely reported by ... the media.

Go figure.

There goes the idiotic "IT'S THE MEDIA'S FAULT!!!!!1!!!!! theory.


Let's not forget that Trump's move to shut down travel from China was aimed only at Chinese nationals, and not anyone else traveling into the U.S. from China.
Yup. Trump's travel restriction were mocked because "not everyone was banned" from flying to or from china. The president does not have the authority to prohibit American citizens and green card holders from traveling abroad. So this is why Trump's travel restrictions were mocked. And yet they called him a racist, xenophobe.

The day after Trump's travel restriction from china were announced, Joe "you know the thing" O'Biden:

“We are in the midst of a crisis with the coronavirus. We need to lead the way with science — not Donald Trump’s record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering. He is the worst possible person to lead our country through a global health emergency.”
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Old 08-12-2021, 08:04 AM
 
Location: North Carolina
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Just breaking down the question and offering my opinion:

Has our Trump-Hating media been responsible for needless COVID deaths and suffering?

1. I don't see it as a "Trump hating" or Biden hating or whatever hating politician issue. I certainly have my opinions about some politicians who have handled things well or horribly but I think politicizing a public health problem is a bad way to handle things and that has led to the pandemic being worse than it is.

2. I don't think the media has directly caused needless deaths, except for those who are urging people not to follow the advice of the overwhelming number of medical professionals who are urging people to get vaccinated against transmissible disease which is far more likely to be deadly in people who are unvaccinated. I think people's lack of care for their own health and for people around them has been the greatest cause of needless deaths and suffering, although inconsistent, confusing messaging has played a role, but again, that's not all about Trump. I do think a lot of politicians mocking the overwhelming consensus of the medical community on mitigation measures has fueled much of this.

3. Media, in general, feeds on anxiety. So right now, for instance, since the pandemic with the delta variant, I have been watching a very reputable infectious disease physician from Wake Forest University (here in NC) explaining that people who are unvaccinated are at high risk of bad outcomes from the new variant, but vaccinated people without some unusual medical issue (such as cancer patients) are not at that high risk, and that wearing a mask when indoors offers some additional protection even though it's not 100% effective, quoting sources such as the New England Journal of Medicine and the Lancet (the UK's version of that). Feel free to look for his videos (Dr. Christopher Ohl).

But some of the media is trying to portray this as something that people are absolutely helpless in preventing, which I think makes people feel even more frustrated and hopeless and likely to say "Well, if getting vaccinated isn't even going to help, then screw doing it." i don't say that but some people would.

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Old 08-12-2021, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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The Democrats and their media has certainly caused unneeded suffering and even deaths with their Trump hating.



Yes Trump said some crazy things as the covid crisis spread but so did Dr Fauci and the other experts. I seriously doubt that Obama, Hillary or Biden would have done any better in the early days as the pandemic unfolded.

Let's not forget that Trump moved to shut down travel from China and the Dems called him a racist.



Trump has made a career using his ideas, his optimism and he brought that to the WH. The problem is the Left attacked him for thinking out loud. They also attacked him for trying to keep up the optimism. As more was known about the infectious nature of covid would it had been better if Trump had just threw his hands in the air and said "we are all going to die" ?



Trump was right more than he was wrong and he is the bad guy while Dr Fauci was wrong more than he was right and he is a hero?



Trump knew the dangers of shutting down the economy and we are still digging out from the wreck but the Democrats saw the opportunity to shut down Trump's greatest accomplishment.
I don’t blame Trump for Covid.

There is a huge difference between optimism and denial and thinking out loud and pure BS.

Not likely any POTUS in modern history would have used their global platform to promote unproven cures, including how injecting disinfectants under the skin would cure Covid

Thanks to the 18 recorded interviews by Bob Woodward of Trump, we know Trump was fully aware of the seriousness of Covid while he persisted in communicating a vaccine would not be necessary as Covid would soon disappear, in April.

In March, 2020 Trump declared Covid a National Emergency and issued the 15 Day Plan to slow the spread of Covid. Point #1 was to listen to and follow state and local government directions. Obviously the plan failed.

Most states or local governments issued restrictions, some of which were seriously goofy.

As time wore on, Trump reversed his position on vaccines and like every other developed country made trials and rapid approval a top priority. Given it was an election year, Trump desperately wanted the vaccine approved before the election and expressed hope it would be.

From there he claimed 100 million doses would be available by year end. He was off by 80 million. He gave Congress and staff priority over healthcare professionals and the elderly and did so regardless of the age and/ or health of the chosen.

Shortly before the election, Trump wanted a clean bill for another stimulus to give people $$$. The Republican Senate had no interest. We will never know if another round of free $$$ might have enable Trumpto win. It would not have hurt his chances.

After loosing, but not accepting the loss, Trump once again demanded a clean bill for another stimulus. The House obliged. Again, the Republican Senate would not play ball.

I voted for Trump in 2020 solely for continuity during the pandemic.
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