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Old 08-12-2021, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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We don't know that any of that is true. Period.
We know it's true. You, on the other hand, don't want to know.
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Old 08-12-2021, 10:38 AM
 
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Meanwhile, unvaccinated account for 99.5% of the Covid deaths in TX (for example). What a freaking mess...
98% of those affected by COVID have recovered. That's over 30 million people.

What's interesting is no one is talking about the deaths.

They are talking about acquiring COVID, and masks, and lockdowns.

If the vaccines add to the contagiousness of COVID - then it affects masks and lockdowns.

If the vaccines don't stop COVID - then it affects masks and lockdowns.

Masks and lockdowns and freedom seems to be the battle ground... not the number of deaths. So virtually no one is paying attention to what you posted.
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Old 08-12-2021, 10:39 AM
 
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It does not prevent infection. It diminishes symptoms from the infection, while apparently also interfering with the normal functioning of a person's immunity system in a way that impedes the development of a full immunity response. As a result, repeated "booster" shots are apparently required.

Conclusion (Pick one):
  1. This inoculation is not a vaccine, as it does not perform the critical function of a vaccine, which is to stimulate the immunity system of an individual into develop the appropriate immunity response to the pathogen - which is typically lifelong, and otherwise usually very long lasting.
  2. This inoculation is a vaccine, but it does not work, as it does not perform the critical function of a vaccine, which is to stimulate the immunity system of an individual into develop the appropriate immunity response to the pathogen - which is typically lifelong, and otherwise usually very long lasting.
Can’t rep you again. Well said.
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Old 08-12-2021, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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It does not prevent infection. It diminishes symptoms from the infection, while apparently also interfering with the normal functioning of a person's immunity system in a way that impedes the development of a full immunity response. As a result, repeated "booster" shots are apparently required.

Conclusion (Pick one):
  1. This inoculation is not a vaccine, as it does not perform the critical function of a vaccine, which is to stimulate the immunity system of an individual into develop the appropriate immunity response to the pathogen - which is typically lifelong, and otherwise usually very long lasting.
  2. This inoculation is a vaccine, but it does not work, as it does not perform the critical function of a vaccine, which is to stimulate the immunity system of an individual into develop the appropriate immunity response to the pathogen - which is typically lifelong, and otherwise usually very long lasting.
I would add a third choice.
  • It is a new kind of vaccine that works on the spike proteins rather than on the virus. This reduces chance of infection, and in the case an infection occurs, it reduces severity of illness.
I choose to not get hung up on semantics. This is what the scientists came up with, so this is what we have to work with. It is not a traditional vaccine but it is still pretty amazing tech.
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Old 08-12-2021, 10:43 AM
 
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CDC reverses indoor mask policy, saying fully vaccinated people and kids should wear them indoors

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommended Tuesday that fully vaccinated people begin wearing masks indoors again in places with high Covid-19 transmission rates. The agency is also recommending kids wear masks in schools this fall.

Federal health officials still believe fully vaccinated individuals represent a very small amount of transmission. Still, some vaccinated people could be carrying higher levels of the virus than previously understood and potentially transmit it to others.

“This pandemic continues to pose a serious threat to the health of all Americans,” CDC Director Rochelle Walensky told reporters on a call. “Today, we have new science related to the delta variant that requires us to update the guidance regarding what you can do when you are fully vaccinated.”

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Walensky said new data shows the variant behaves “uniquely differently from past strains of the virus,” indicating that some vaccinated people infected with the delta variant “may be contagious and spread the virus to others.”


So according to the CDC Director - the vaccine doesn't prevent COVID, and those vaccinated can be contagious.

The vaccine also is a serious risk to one's heart and blood systems.

It gets worse and worse for the vaccine. Meanwhile, over 30,000,000 people have recovered from COVID.

What a freaking mess... courtesy of China and its enablers.
Blame china for the Trump virus. good job
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Old 08-12-2021, 10:44 AM
 
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We know it's true. You, on the other hand, don't want to know.
Baloney. You probably also would have said, just a couple weeks ago, that the vaccine is 99% effective and you are not contagious if you have it. Or that it "works against the Delta variant."

How many times do the "experts" have to be wrong in a single year for you to start getting even a modicum of skepticism or independent thought?
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Old 08-12-2021, 10:45 AM
 
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I would add a third choice.
  • It is a new kind of vaccine that works on the spike proteins rather than on the virus. This reduces chance of infection, and in the case an infection occurs, it reduces severity of illness.
I choose to not get hung up on semantics. This is what the scientists came up with, so this is what we have to work with. It is not a traditional vaccine but it is still pretty amazing tech.
It is not a vaccine, but it is a helpful therapeutic treatment for people who are especially vulnerable to the effects of the virus.

More importantly, this inoculation interferes with the normal functioning of a person's immunity system in a way that impedes the development of a full immunity response, which is actually slowing and impeding our collective progress towards achieving herd immunity.
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Old 08-12-2021, 10:51 AM
 
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CDC reverses indoor mask policy, saying fully vaccinated people and kids should wear them indoors

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommended Tuesday that fully vaccinated people begin wearing masks indoors again in places with high Covid-19 transmission rates. The agency is also recommending kids wear masks in schools this fall.

Federal health officials still believe fully vaccinated individuals represent a very small amount of transmission. Still, some vaccinated people could be carrying higher levels of the virus than previously understood and potentially transmit it to others.

“This pandemic continues to pose a serious threat to the health of all Americans,” CDC Director Rochelle Walensky told reporters on a call. “Today, we have new science related to the delta variant that requires us to update the guidance regarding what you can do when you are fully vaccinated.”

...
Walensky said new data shows the variant behaves “uniquely differently from past strains of the virus,” indicating that some vaccinated people infected with the delta variant “may be contagious and spread the virus to others.”


So according to the CDC Director - the vaccine doesn't prevent COVID, and those vaccinated can be contagious.

The vaccine also is a serious risk to one's heart and blood systems.

It gets worse and worse for the vaccine. Meanwhile, over 30,000,000 people have recovered from COVID.

What a freaking mess... courtesy of China and its enablers.

Misinformation! The vaccine prevent serious illness and death and does reduce the viral load of a vaccinated person who gets infected.
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Old 08-12-2021, 10:52 AM
 
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It is not a vaccine, but it is a helpful therapeutic treatment for people who are especially vulnerable to the effects of the virus.

More importantly, this inoculation interferes with the normal functioning of a person's immunity system in a way that impedes the development of a full immunity response, which is actually slowing and impeding our collective progress towards achieving herd immunity.

More misinformation. All the vaccines are actually VACCINES!
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Old 08-12-2021, 10:53 AM
 
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Can’t rep you again. Well said.

And complete MISINFORMATION! Sadly there are people who believe misinformation like that.
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