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The problem is Republicans call everything socialism, marxism, communism, etc. Sometimes using all 3 for the same thing.
I dont think socialism is workable, but I do love a lot of socialist type of things, such as universal healthcare. But I also think the best answer is usually reasonably regulated capitalism. When its not the best choice then im all for socialist solutions.
Im sure Ive been called a socialist a couple times here. But im not. Ironically I think once we have the tech base for it that libertarianism is the best choice. Were not there yet.
Anyways.... I think a real socialist might call for it, but good luck finding one to answer this. I think we use to have 1 or 2 in the past, but I havent seen any recently.
I have yet to see a socialist on this forum, honestly. You might not get someone who can answer that question here.
The usual dodge from the usual suspects. "This doesn't exactly mirror the dictionary definition of socialism, so I'm going to pretend 'it isn't socialism', and duck around any discussion of whether it accomplished most of the main goals of socialism. And it also lets me lord my own definition of 'socialism' over everybody else's, and I can pretend to be intellectually superior to them."
Have you noticed that NONE of the people in the thread, have answered the main question of the OP?
My answer: I am not a socialist in any way, shape or form... which is probably why I don't believe in the abolition of private property (one of the main tenets of EVERY form of socialism) - I firmly oppose it. It is nothing more than theft.
The usual dodge from the usual suspects. "This doesn't exactly mirror the dictionary definition of socialism, so I'm going to pretend 'it isn't socialism', and duck around any discussion of whether it accomplished most of the main goals of socialism. And it also lets me lord my own definition of 'socialism' over everybody else's, and I can pretend to be intellectually superior to them."
The problem with your response is, there really arent that many socialists here. You can try and argue semantics etc, but it just doesn't fly.
The usual dodge from the usual suspects. "This doesn't exactly mirror the dictionary definition of socialism, so I'm going to pretend 'it isn't socialism', and duck around any discussion of whether it accomplished most of the main goals of socialism. And it also lets me lord my own definition of 'socialism' over everybody else's, and I can pretend to be intellectually superior to them."
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Originally Posted by greywar
The problem with your response is, there really arent that many socialists here. You can try and argue semantics etc, but it just doesn't fly.
Look, there goes another one!
Now it's my fault that nobody wants to answer the OP's question!
It's my fault that nobody wants to answer the OP's question!
Youre looking for unicorns.
I mean if you want to cal me a socialist feel free. If I match YOUR definition, which has no relationship to ACTUAL socialism I answered it from my point of view. But youre asking for a socialists point of view, and there do not appear to be many here. Maybe one will show up.
And then getting all mad when no one gives you answers, but still want to chat. oh the horrirs.
For example if I owned a two family home and one of the units was empty. And let’s say One day a socialist decides to kick in the door and move in. Declares to stay there forever rent free because he or she doesn’t believe in personal property rights. Would you socialist support that?
I would play Barry Manilow music high blast every night, or hide a dead fish somewhere, where they can’t find it.
For example if I owned a two family home and one of the units was empty. And let’s say One day a socialist decides to kick in the door and move in. Declares to stay there forever rent free because he or she doesn’t believe in personal property rights. Would you socialist support that?
Evict the socialist to make room for the giant strawman you just built, LOL.
Socialism is a system where the means of production, distribution, exchange are owned and regulated by the community. There isn't one person on this forum who believes that is a good idea, that I've seen at least. I visit left leaning forums often as well, and I have seen a small handful of people on those forums who believe in it, but they are outliers, even for left leaning parts of the internet.
This might speak to an issue in the US at the moment though. Some people treat 'left wing' as a synonym for socialism. IF that's what's happening in this thread (and I'm not saying it has), start a new thread asking left wingers, or democrats (instead of socialists) the same question that's posed in the OP.
To The Socialists Out There Do You Believe in The abolition of private property
I never met anyone who did. That is basically a Marxist thing, isn't it? Historically Marxists oppressed and killed socialists.
In the USA we have enjoyed a mixed economy going all the way back to the early days. It works.
That's why we have the US Postal Service owned by the people of the United States, and many public utilities (like public water departments and some cities have their own electric companies, and public transit). The model works, common ownership can work.
It does not have to be owned by a governmental body, it can be owned by the membership, like mutual insurance companies or credit unions. The model is very flexible, and it works.
None of this has ever required the abolition of private property. In fact, often the introduction of community owned services has gone on to improve the value of private property.
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