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Old 09-02-2021, 04:41 AM
 
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As usual the left is trying to move the goalposts.... and is still lying to us just like that weasel Fauci has been for a year and a half.

The NY Times, for Pete's sake, is actually admitting the vaccine has failed!

The vaccines were supposed to end the pandemic, and that is not happening. Covid is still spreading, and now they are saying "boosters" will be needed. Well, not for this guy. I'll count on my good immune system from this point on. I'm done with it and I'm taking my chances.
Correct. You get the vaccine and you should be protected from COVID. But that is not the case. So the vaccine is indeed a failure.
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Old 09-02-2021, 04:46 AM
 
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And that is why there is no shot for the common cold.
And that is why there's a plethora of flu combinations each year and then..less than 40% effective.

This isn't like chickenpox or any of those others that don't mutate.

This virus mutates and vaccines will always be chasing the latest mutation.

This was speculated last January when variations were found by scientists. Of course the majority of talking heads scoffed at this.
Wonder if they are eating crow yet ?
They won't be eating crow because they are not responsible for what they say. They will just move on to something else.
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Old 09-02-2021, 04:51 AM
 
Location: Richmond, VA
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Correct. You get the vaccine and you should be protected from COVID. But that is not the case. So the vaccine is indeed a failure.
You don't understand vaccines, clearly. There is a distinction between vaccines that reduce risk of getting disease and lessening symptoms, and those that provide complete immunity.

If the COVID vaccine is a failure, then the chickenpox vaccine is, also. Because it doesn't prevent you from getting chickenpox in some cases, it just prevents severe symptoms. Same for measles. Same for polio. In fact, most vaccines don't provide complete and guaranteed immunity-they just lessen the risk of transmission and symptoms.
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Old 09-02-2021, 04:57 AM
 
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Those who are unvaccinated might want to stay that way since the vaccines have greatly lost their ability to prevent infection and hospitalization.

The majority of hospitalized Israeli covid-19 patients are fully vaccinated:
https://www.beckershospitalreview.co...udy-finds.html


As some scientists have already stated, coronaviruses mutate/evolve too rapidly for vaccines to effectively contain them. We need to focus on developing more effective treatments for those who get infected, since vaccines won't stop this pandemic.



Why do you post information which is not consistent with the article you posted? That is manipulating the facts.
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Old 09-02-2021, 04:58 AM
 
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
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You don't understand vaccines, clearly. There is a distinction between vaccines that reduce risk of getting disease and lessening symptoms, and those that provide complete immunity.

If the COVID vaccine is a failure, then the chickenpox vaccine is, also. Because it doesn't prevent you from getting chickenpox in some cases, it just prevents severe symptoms. Same for measles. Same for polio. In fact, most vaccines don't provide complete and guaranteed immunity-they just lessen the risk of transmission and symptoms.
You are describing THERAPEUTICS, not VACCINES!!!

We were told that the Mrna potion was a VACCINE, but NOW it's "It will lessen severity of INFECTION"



Vaccines are SUPPOSED TO PREVENT INFECTION!!!

Epic gaslighting on a massive scale!

Good luck with your lies.

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Old 09-02-2021, 05:02 AM
 
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Correct. You get the vaccine and you should be protected from COVID. But that is not the case. So the vaccine is indeed a failure.

The facts and data show the vaccines protect people from serious disease. The vaccines are a huge success. The failure is Biden cannot get enough people vaccinated.
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Old 09-02-2021, 05:03 AM
 
Location: Richmond, VA
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You are describing THERAPEUTICS, not VACCINES!!!

We were told that the Mrna potion was a VACCINE, but NOW it's "It will lessen severity of INFECTION"



Vaccines are SUPPOSED TO PREVENT INFECTION!!!

Epic gaslighting on a massive scale!

Good luck with your lies.

That's not the definition of a vaccine.

Merriam-Webster:
"a preparation that is administered (as by injection) to stimulate the body's immune response against a specific infectious agent or disease"

If it lessens the chance of getting it at all, it's a vaccine. Move the goalposts all you want, but you are simply wrong.
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Old 09-02-2021, 05:06 AM
 
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You are describing THERAPEUTICS, not VACCINES!!!

We were told that the Mrna potion was a VACCINE, but NOW it's "It will lessen severity of INFECTION"



Vaccines are SUPPOSED TO PREVENT INFECTION!!!

Epic gaslighting on a massive scale!

Good luck with your lies.


Your post is not true. Some vaccines can stop infection completely but many just lessen the symptoms. That is the real information.
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Old 09-02-2021, 05:09 AM
 
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
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The Gaslight Theatre continues....

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Old 09-02-2021, 05:11 AM
 
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You are describing THERAPEUTICS, not VACCINES!!!

We were told that the Mrna potion was a VACCINE, but NOW it's "It will lessen severity of INFECTION"



Vaccines are SUPPOSED TO PREVENT INFECTION!!!

Epic gaslighting on a massive scale!

Good luck with your lies.


"There are two main types of immunity you can achieve with vaccines. One is so-called "effective" immunity, which can prevent a pathogen from causing serious disease, but can't stop it from entering the body or making more copies of itself. The other is "sterilising immunity", which can thwart infections entirely, and even prevent asymptomatic cases. The latter is the aspiration of all vaccine research, but surprisingly rarely achieved."


https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...pread-covid-19

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