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Old 08-22-2021, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Sammamish, WA
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Israel, Once the Model for Beating Covid, Faces New Surge of Infections

One of the most vaccinated societies, Israel now has one of the highest infection rates in the world,
raising questions about the vaccine’s efficacy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/18/w...s-booster.html
Those who are unvaccinated might want to stay that way since the vaccines have greatly lost their ability to prevent infection and hospitalization.

The majority of hospitalized Israeli covid-19 patients are fully vaccinated:
https://www.beckershospitalreview.co...udy-finds.html


As some scientists have already stated, coronaviruses mutate/evolve too rapidly for vaccines to effectively contain them. We need to focus on developing more effective treatments for those who get infected, since vaccines won't stop this pandemic.
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Old 08-22-2021, 07:43 AM
 
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Those who are unvaccinated might want to stay that way since the vaccines have greatly lost their ability to prevent infection and hospitalization.
Dude, this is not at all what the data is saying:

What it is showing is that vaccinated people 60 or older is at a greater risk of infection than the younger unvaccinated people. But their rate is still lower than people who are not vaccinated, young or old.

Almost 80% of the people in Israel is vaccinated. When you have that high of a rate, of course the vaccinated are going to be the majority of the people in the hospital - because there are so few unvaccinated left. So 80% are vaccinated. Only 60% of those in the hospital are vaccinated and they are predominantly 60 or older. It should be very concerning to the unvaccinated that they are only 20% of the population but almost half of them in the hospital are unvaccinated.

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Old 08-22-2021, 07:45 AM
 
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Those who are unvaccinated might want to stay that way since the vaccines have greatly lost their ability to prevent infection and hospitalization.

The majority of hospitalized Israeli covid-19 patients are fully vaccinated:
https://www.beckershospitalreview.co...udy-finds.html


As some scientists have already stated, coronaviruses mutate/evolve too rapidly for vaccines to effectively contain them. We need to focus on developing more effective treatments for those who get infected, since vaccines won't stop this pandemic.
Yet I am being forced to get it? Nice.
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Old 08-22-2021, 07:48 AM
 
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Almost 80% of the people in Israel is vaccinated. When you have that high of a rate, of course the vaccinated are going to be the majority of the people in the hospital - because there are so few unvaccinated left. So 80% are vaccinated. Only 60% of those in the hospital are vaccinated and they are predominantly 60 or older. It should be very concerning to the unvaccinated that they are only 20% of the population but almost half of them in the hospital are unvaccinated.
Dude, these vaccines are being sold as keeping you from the hospital... that is now proven demonstrably not true.

Stop trying to make yourself feel better.

It is only a matter of time until we are at the same numbers we were last year.

At the very least all of the medical leaders should quit or be forced out. Their plans failed. We need a new plan.
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Old 08-22-2021, 07:59 AM
 
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Dude, these vaccines are being sold as keeping you from the hospital... that is now proven demonstrably not true.
You're wrong - the promise is still 100% true.

The only difference is Delta is more contagious so more people are getting infected. Delta can go undetected by the B cell but it will be killed by the T cells - which is exactly what the vaccine is designed to do.

If you say the vaccine is not preventing Delta infection as well as other form of variant, that'd be a true statement. But you imply the vaccine isn't working which is 100% wrong.

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Old 08-22-2021, 08:03 AM
 
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Perpetual boosters, here they come
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Old 08-22-2021, 08:03 AM
 
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Yet I am being forced to get it? Nice.
You're not forced to do anything. I do not consent - simple.
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Old 08-22-2021, 08:04 AM
 
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You're not forced to do anything. I do not consent - simple.
And lose my job.. retirement... health care...

No choice.
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Old 08-22-2021, 08:05 AM
 
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And lose my job.. retirement... health care...

No choice.
I understand. I'm OK to make that choice. My body is worth more to me than the money.

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Perpetual boosters, here they come
They don't even count breakthrough cases if there's no hospitalization. They'll call it a pandemic of the unvaxxed but numbers are so murky you can't figure anything out.
All these politicians will suddenly increase their net worth after this. Taxpayer money going to Big Pharma and politicians to get everyone jabbed and boostered.
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Old 08-22-2021, 08:06 AM
 
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From the outlet used as support of the vaccine not working

A grim warning from Israel: Vaccination blunts, but does not defeat Delta

The sheer number of vaccinated Israelis means some breakthrough infections were inevitable, and the unvaccinated are still far more likely to end up in the hospital or die

studies suggest boosters might have broader value. Researchers have shown that boosting induces a prompt surge in antibodies, which are needed in the nose and throat as a crucial first line of defense against infection




Most of the time cars don't get in an accident but we put our seat belt on all the time...and I suspect that most people in an accident have a seat belt on -- rather than not....does that mean you shouldn't wear one?
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