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Old 08-23-2021, 11:04 PM
 
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Aren't the studies showing that the efficacy of the vaccine after a while drops from 90 to something like 65 per cent. I'd still choose the vaccine.

Also -- they were talking about how a bigger gap between the first and second jab may be better. Here we thought those Canadians were doing it all wrong waiting months for their second jab.......
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Old 08-24-2021, 05:04 AM
 
Location: U.S.
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Dude, these vaccines are being sold as keeping you from the hospital... that is now proven demonstrably not true.

Stop trying to make yourself feel better.

It is only a matter of time until we are at the same numbers we were last year.

At the very least all of the medical leaders should quit or be forced out. Their plans failed. We need a new plan.
We will be at the same “levels of last year” because people continue to age and die of natural causes, also people are born each day too. Death is not fully preventable.

Over 8,000 people die each day is the U.S. https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...deaths-per-day

Heart disease kills over 600,000 Americans each year.
Cancer over 500,000
Accidents over 150,000 each year.
Suicides over 45,000 each year.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lea...s-of-death.htm

We must stop the needless loss of life.
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Old 08-24-2021, 08:45 AM
 
Location: North Pacific
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We will be at the same “levels of last year” because people continue to age and die of natural causes, also people are born each day too. Death is not fully preventable.

Over 8,000 people die each day is the U.S. https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...deaths-per-day

Heart disease kills over 600,000 Americans each year.
Cancer over 500,000
Accidents over 150,000 each year.
Suicides over 45,000 each year.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lea...s-of-death.htm

We must stop the needless loss of life.
Healthcare Industry as a whole need to step up and do their part, as well ---

U.S. Health Care from a Global Perspective, 2019: Higher Spending, Worse Outcomes?

Highlights
  • The U.S. spends more on health care as a share of the economy — nearly twice as much as the average OECD country — yet has the lowest life expectancy and highest suicide rates among the 11 nations.
  • The U.S. has the highest chronic disease burden and an obesity rate that is two times higher than the OECD average.
  • Americans had fewer physician visits than peers in most countries, which may be related to a low supply of physicians in the U.S.
  • Americans use some expensive technologies, such as MRIs, and specialized procedures, such as hip replacements, more often than our peers.
  • The U.S. outperforms its peers in terms of preventive measures — it has the one of the highest rates of breast cancer screening among women ages 50 to 69 and the second-highest rate (after the U.K.) of flu vaccinations among people age 65 and older.
  • Compared to peer nations, the U.S. has among the highest number of hospitalizations from preventable causes and the highest rate of avoidable deaths.
There are other reasons besides opiod addiction for the cause of suicides you know that right --- ? one little dude was so far into debt with the IRS he flew his airplane into government building downtown Austin TX one year past --- our economic freedoms have gone down the s-hole. He was not alone in his feeling of hopelessness.

And now we have take the jab or tell your story walking ---

WASHINGTON, D.C. – The U.S. Department of Homeland Security …
Pleas for help from unlawful COVID shot mandates


And doctors that want to help with this are told to sit down and shut up ...

Doctors story of Light and Life: the Covid-19 Darkness Overcome” Part I

"I still needed to be heard. "


The virus itself is bad, but the bureaucratic nonsense is only making it worse --- let doctors do their jobs and let us get on with our lives. The virus is real, the reaction to it is a made to order ... stop that and the rest will take care of itself.
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Old 08-24-2021, 08:58 AM
 
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This is the FULL headline of your article....

"Pfizer Shot Just 39% Effective Against Delta Infection, But Largely Prevents Severe Illness, Israel Study Suggests"

You left out the bolded part, which is the only part that is important.

I can never understand the need for the deception. Don't we all want ALL the facts? Or are we willing to leave out the most important facts to try to steer people away from vaccination? What is going through your mind when you are knowingly only giving half the headline? I really want to know.

Directly from your article:
The people pushing and promoting these inoculations apparently do not think so. I agree that we should have all the facts - coming from every perspective. That has not been happening - especially from the pushers of these shots.

And I am left wondering after your post if you are comfortable leaving out what else these drugs do to you, to your immune system and to your longer term health - aside from alleviating the immediate symptoms, which for the vast majority of people are not really all that severe, and in a huge number of cases, are trivial or even non-existent?

This whole practice of treating symptoms rather than underlying problems, and ignoring what are often significant side-effects and other substantial health complications and ramifications is a very troubling practice that medical doctors in this country have in many cases made their normal practice. It is in large part because of this unfortunate and unhelpful mentality that so many people have concluded that they need to take charge of their own healthcare decision making, as they are not confident that their doctors can be relied upon and trusted to make the more responsible and sometimes less profitable recommendations (for the doctors and the hospitals, etc.) that are truly in the best overall interests of their patients.
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Old 08-24-2021, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Cheektowaga, NY
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must be all the Trump supporters over there.
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Old 08-24-2021, 09:34 AM
 
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And lose my job.. retirement... health care...

No choice.
You are free to seek other employment. No one is forcing you to go to work at any location.

That’s what conservatives say anyways when it applies to anything other than Covid or vaccination.
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Old 08-24-2021, 09:39 AM
 
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You are free to seek other employment. No one is forcing you to go to work at any location.

That’s what conservatives say anyways when it applies to anything other than Covid or vaccination.
you seem to be under the mistaken impression that we live in a free society where business owners run their establishments without govt interference.
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Old 08-24-2021, 09:47 AM
 
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you seem to be under the mistaken impression that we live in a free society where business owners run their establishments without govt interference.
Evidence please. How is the government making a requirement for businesses to mandate vaccines. Also please show penalty and evidence that the penalty is being enforced for noncompliance.

Also you are going off on a tangent. I am using the standard conservative argument used in any other situation. Example: job is dangerous and adequate safety equipment not provided, conservatives say you are free to find another job. Another example: employer switches or changes work schedule without adequate notice to employees. Conservatives say you are free to leave or find another job.
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Old 08-24-2021, 09:55 AM
 
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you seem to be under the mistaken impression that we live in a free society where business owners run their establishments without govt interference.
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Evidence please. How is the government making a requirement for businesses to mandate vaccines. Also please show penalty and evidence that the penalty is being enforced for noncompliance.
The EEOC took care of that --- 26 ? States, there was a list, State Efforts to Ban or Enforce COVID-19 Vaccine Mandates and Passports have passed bills that oppose business mandates --- to date no judge has sided with an employee lawsuit, even though the State's laws are on their side. It's a power rush ...
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Old 08-24-2021, 10:44 AM
 
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You are free to seek other employment. No one is forcing you to go to work at any location.

That’s what conservatives say anyways when it applies to anything other than Covid or vaccination.
Yea, it's just THAT simple, when you have bills to pay, and good credit to ruin...
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