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Old 08-23-2021, 09:07 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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According to research out of Israel, the Pfizer vaccine is only around 39 percent effective against the delta variant. https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberth...h=4a5c667b584f
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Old 08-23-2021, 09:27 PM
 
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Those who are unvaccinated might want to stay that way since the vaccines have greatly lost their ability to prevent infection and hospitalization.

The majority of hospitalized Israeli covid-19 patients are fully vaccinated:
https://www.beckershospitalreview.co...udy-finds.html


As some scientists have already stated, coronaviruses mutate/evolve too rapidly for vaccines to effectively contain them. We need to focus on developing more effective treatments for those who get infected, since vaccines won't stop this pandemic.
We need to let our immune systems take care of it as it evolved to do. Natural immunity is our best defense.
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Old 08-23-2021, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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these vaccines are being sold as keeping you from the hospital... that is now proven demonstrably not true.

Stop trying to make yourself feel better.

It is only a matter of time until we are at the same numbers we were last year.

At the very least all of the medical leaders should quit or be forced out. Their plans failed. We need a new plan.
You are all out WRONG! As of today, Monday, my local small town hospital reports that 92.3% of its COVID patients are unvaccinated!
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Old 08-23-2021, 09:38 PM
 
Location: U.S.
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Those who are unvaccinated might want to stay that way since the vaccines have greatly lost their ability to prevent infection and hospitalization.

The majority of hospitalized Israeli covid-19 patients are fully vaccinated:
https://www.beckershospitalreview.co...udy-finds.html


As some scientists have already stated, coronaviruses mutate/evolve too rapidly for vaccines to effectively contain them. We need to focus on developing more effective treatments for those who get infected, since vaccines won't stop this pandemic.
What happens if you take a Pfizer booster with an existing J&J vaccine? Do people immediately get sick with covid? Does J&J vaccine even have a booster yet? For those with J&J, is there any hope of a booster?
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Old 08-23-2021, 09:39 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Yes because we don't know the long term effects of these experimental treatments.

It has always been a balancing test, and the side of "get it" has just taken a major hit.
At least 44,000 people bravely volunteered to be test subjects for the covid vaccines. Back then was when it was really experimental. They did good. After a year, have they been dropping dead, like flies? NO!
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Old 08-23-2021, 09:51 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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(you have to go outside of the USA to get this info.)

Deaths from Janssen vaccines' investigated


https://www.manilatimes.net/2021/08/...igated/1811718
But as the article said near the end:

"Based on my personal investigation, the couples did not die because of the vaccines. All of them have comorbidities and were taking the same medicines," Calingasan said.
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Old 08-23-2021, 09:54 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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According to research out of Israel, the Pfizer vaccine is only around 39 percent effective against the delta variant. https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberth...h=4a5c667b584f
This is the FULL headline of your article....

"Pfizer Shot Just 39% Effective Against Delta Infection, But Largely Prevents Severe Illness, Israel Study Suggests"

You left out the bolded part, which is the only part that is important.

I can never understand the need for the deception. Don't we all want ALL the facts? Or are we willing to leave out the most important facts to try to steer people away from vaccination? What is going through your mind when you are knowingly only giving half the headline? I really want to know.

Directly from your article:
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The vaccine still provides very high levels of protection against hospitalization (92%) and severe illness (91%) caused by the Delta variant, the ministry said.
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Old 08-23-2021, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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(sigh)

People fall for "statistics" so easily...

OK, by the numbers.

There are 8.6 million people in Israel.

According to OurWorldInData.com, 61% of them are fully vaccinated. That's 5.2 million.

According to the article linked in the OP:
"Of 514 patients in Israel hospitalized with COVID-19 as of Aug. 15, 59 percent were fully vaccinated"

59% of the 514 is 303 people, who are fully vaccinated but still came down with Covid-19 anyway.

The people who developed the vaccines say the vaccine has a 95% efficacy rate. Meaning, if 100 people get fully vaccinated, 5 of them can still get the virus. This has been well known and published since before the vaccine was even released. So, 5% of the people who are fully vaccinated, can still get the Covid virus and suffer from it.

In summary: 5.2 million people in Israel are fully vaccinated. 303 of them have come down with the virus anyway. That means 0.0058% of the people who are fully vaccinated, still got Covid.

And these boobs who like to write sensational headlines, want you to believe that means the vaccine ISN'T working???

I disagree. I say it proves that this is one of the most successful, best-working vaccines in the history of mankind. Its results are a thousand times better than even the people who developed it, dared to forecast.

Why do you keep falling for headlines written by boobs to sell newspapers, that are so easily disproven?
Good gosh, what really matters is how many people vaccinated are actually dying, due to covid.
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Old 08-23-2021, 09:57 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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But vaccinated people ARE getting covid and ARE in the hospital.
But are the anti-vaxxers claiming that most people dying in hospitals from covid are the already vaccinated ones? I don't think so.
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Old 08-23-2021, 10:10 PM
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Location: North Pacific
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Yes because we don't know the long term effects of these experimental treatments.

It has always been a balancing test, and the side of "get it" has just taken a major hit.
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At least 44,000 people bravely volunteered to be test subjects for the covid vaccines. Back then was when it was really experimental. They did good. After a year, have they been dropping dead, like flies? NO!
Did they get paid to volunteer? Just asking for a friend ...

Study: Vaccinated people can carry as much virus as others

"In another dispiriting setback for the nation’s efforts to stamp out the coronavirus, scientists who studied a big COVID-19 outbreak in Massachusetts concluded that vaccinated people who got so-called breakthrough infections carried about the same amount of the coronavirus as those who did not get the shots."

Seems they skipped a test within the 44,000 people who volunteered. Is it still transmittable and they themselves as a carrier? A person is going to get covid one of two ways, injected or transmitted through environment, either way, if a person is susceptible to the virus there is no way out. How many of the typhoid Mary types have they created? You know what happens in a stamped right? And no one stops to look.

Good for you if you are among the elite group. Bad for others is you're among the elite group.
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