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NZ part of the free world? That part I disagree with.... everything else I agree with you. That said Australia isn’t too far behind and the UK banned knives altogether after their stabbers go crazy.
Ironically, my American husband, whom I imported into Australia, was arrested for carrying a knife. He hadn’t done anything with it, it was in his pocket, and he was stopped by the cops because he’d had a few, was walking down the street, and they didn’t like the look of him (Mohawk) so they stopped him and searched him, and arrested him for possession of a deadly weapon.
I think the sentiments shared by you, kmom2, and others regarding limits to personal freedoms illustrates clearly how the US and Australia/NZ diverged historically in their approach to being ruled (and abused) by colonial Britain.
It seems the passage of time has little changed things.
Oh I’m sorry, but that’s just rubbish.
Britain has absolutely nothing to do with anything. In fact they went a bit loosey goosey with the virus in the beginning, had a lot of sick people and had to shut down for a lot longer than we did until they got a high vax rate.
So from what I can gather over on the Oz & NZ forum, these countries are going on a hard lockdown until they can acquire enough vaccines to get their populations vaccinated to acceptable levels. Of course this is done with expectation that vaccination leads to lower COVID-19 fatalities.
What are the acceptable conditions for how long the populace is willing to be sealed (and maybe re-sealed) off from the world?
Is vaccination status of the populace the determining factor for when the country opens? Or will it be infection rate post-vaccination? Or will it be the number hospitable beds occupied? Or will it be the fatality rate?
In the case of New South Wales, it will be once the adult population reaches 70% fully vaxxed.
That’s predicted to be around October 14.
They’re laying out a roadmap to open up stuff then, including international travel with no quarantining.
I don't have hostility toward NZ. Quite the opposite. I live in metro NY, where we endured a cruel shutdown and all got Covid anyway. It had little to do with saving people. Now we have vaccine passports in NYC, blocking out my daughter (who can't get the vaccine) from living like a normal human. She has already had to leave college and find another due to the Covid mandates, and probably will be unemployable due to vaccine mandates. I am just trying to warn people of this rising authoritarianism under the guise of 'safety.'
NZ, and to some extent Australia, will have to deal with Covid becoming an endemic virus, and still be free nations. You can't avoid it forever, even though your borders have insulated you thus far. It seems like the leaders of both countries are willing to impose cruel, draconian, illiberal policies on people. I have hostility toward that, and I feel sorry for the people suffering through it. I'm sorry if it comes across as being against the population. It is directed at the authoritarians, not the people.
It's all good!
I see your point. Sorry that your daughter has to be essentially victimized.
But just to assure you, for us the lockdowns have been nothing like you experienced. Nothing cruel, draconian or illiberal (yet). There will be covid passports for travel and such and some companies will stop hiring anyone unvaccinated. That is already starting.
What concerns me it that the nurse who gave me my second shot today thinks the first shot gives 85% protection and the second shot, 95%. Maybe she is still thinking in terms of the alpha variant.
I must say though, that she was very hesitant to give me my shot after I told her I had had a reaction from the first. I assured he I had worked through the issue, seen my doctor, weighed the odds and made my decision. Then she was happy to give it to me.
In the case of New South Wales, it will be once the adult population reaches 70% fully vaxxed.
That’s predicted to be around October 14.
They’re laying out a roadmap to open up stuff then, including international travel with no quarantining.
One of the Australian authorities said that after 80% is fully vaxxed, the other 20% would be 'locked out' of the economy and medical care. Are people okay with this? Are we talking tent cities? Black market doctors and pharmacies? Bleeding people being turned away from hospitals? Have they thought this through?
Britain has absolutely nothing to do with anything. In fact they went a bit loosey goosey with the virus in the beginning, had a lot of sick people and had to shut down for a lot longer than we did until they got a high vax rate.
Perhaps. I do think, generally, national traits shape culture and history, especially in small homogeneous societies, which the US and Oz/NZ were during their colonial period with Britain. Of course, this is less valid in recent years with the advent of globalization and mass immigration.
But if anything it plays a minor role in how each country reacted today to the pandemic and terrorism because as can be seen, they differ in many other ways.
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