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Old 09-23-2021, 11:50 AM
 
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Let's say that you are literally the only person on earth who can save a sick person's life. It requires you to give some of your blood. Simple and easy and almost painless. No one can force you to do so, even if it's the "right thing" to do. You have bodily autonomy and as such, can decide if it's the correct decision for yourself.

Even after a person has died, their organs cannot be taken from them without express consent.

You are free to view abortion as a moral failure or murder or whatever else you categorize it as, but that does not mean you can compel anyone else to view it the same way.

 
Old 09-23-2021, 11:58 AM
 
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Abortions should be re-named to "killing babies."

Okay, then pro-lifers should be renamed pro-forced birthers. That is absolutely accurate.
 
Old 09-23-2021, 12:00 PM
 
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Huh? Who's doing that? Not in the US.

??
How else would your bizarre fantasy work when a woman did not consent to it?
 
Old 09-23-2021, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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A big "Third Rock From the Sun" fan we see.
Right out of the script.
What does
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"Third Rock From the Sun" fan we see.
mean?
 
Old 09-23-2021, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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FETICIDE - an abortion, specifically, the killing of a fetus. One who kills a fetus. The act of destroying a fetus or causing an abortion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath
“... I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy.” (Variation 1)
“... I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion.” (Variation 2)
Abortion doctors are “oath breakers.”
. . .

All aborted babies who wished they weren't, please raise your hand.
[crickets chirping]
My bad - they're DEAD.
And if there is a judgment, woe unto those who murdered them.
Woe unto those who failed to care for the helpless life within them
ABORTION IS MURDER
Calling feticide a right to privacy is absurd. Calling abortion a "right of privacy," is like calling a rapist an undocumented gynecologist.
I don't know about you, but a civilization that kills its unborn isn't civilized.

I am certain most people are glad they weren't aborted, but I could be wrong.
Of course, if they were, they could have no opinion, being dead.

The obligation of support or lack thereof is not sufficient grounds to eradicate a potential human being. Your very existence is proof that someone sacrificed for you and your upbringing.
To deny life because being a parent is tough is a lousy excuse and very self centered.
Shameful, in fact.

BEST ARGUMENT against “Pro-Choice” and the “Right of Privacy” to kill unborn children:
“You can’t force a surgeon to perform a surgery, but once they’re in the middle of it, they can’t just stop and walk away, letting the person die. Likewise, you can’t force a daycare professional to show up at work, but once she’s there, she can’t just leave the children unattended because she doesn’t want to work anymore - it’s child abandonment. In both cases, your action has caused someone to be dependent upon you and you are responsible for that dependent. Pregnancy is no different. The child has a right to your body because you made that child dependent on you.”
- - - H.C. Douglas
= = =
Once your actions make a helpless life dependent upon you, you have no choice nor right to terminate it.
= = =
 
Old 09-23-2021, 12:26 PM
 
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Most people I personally know that are 'pro-life' fall into the trap below.



Once it's born, they really don't seem to care about the welfare of the child. (edit or the family) They actively vote people into power that dismantle the programs that help a child / family in need.

The moment the 'baby' is actually a baby, it is time for bootstraps!
 
Old 09-23-2021, 12:27 PM
 
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A fetus is technically a parasite. (: an organism living in, on, or with another organism in order to obtain nutrients, grow, or multiply often in a state that directly or indirectly harms the host) (Webster) Of course, so are most politicians.
And if you say it does not harm the host, just see how many women have life-long health problems after birth.
 
Old 09-23-2021, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Shaker Heights, OH
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Why not just call a spade a spade? Anyway the guilt from accepting the reality might just save a few more humans.

Pregnant women won't die by not getting an abortion, but a person does die when it's performed.
Can a fetus live outside the womb? The answer is no so, then it's not a baby or a child or a person. It's a fetus.
 
Old 09-23-2021, 12:35 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Why not just call a spade a spade? Anyway the guilt from accepting the reality might just save a few more humans.

Pregnant women won't die by not getting an abortion, but a person does die when it's performed.
Abortion pushers (including women who want to kill their unborn babies) can only live with themselves, if they pretend "killing unborn babies" is NOT what they're doing.

If they use a "nicer" name like "abortion", and don't talk about what they are really doing, only then can they look their friends in the face (and themselves in the mirror).

Calling it what it is ("killing unborn babies") takes away the lie, and forces them to examine what they are actually doing.

They will vent untold, vicious, unending rage at you if you suggest they look at it honestly. Lies and self-delusion are all they have. And they've spent many decades to build up their protective insulation and make it that way.
 
Old 09-23-2021, 12:43 PM
 
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Abortion pushers (including women who want to kill their unborn babies) can only live with themselves, if they pretend "killing unborn babies" is NOT what they're doing.

If they use a "nicer" name like "abortion", and don't talk about what they are really doing, only then can they look their friends in the face (and themselves in the mirror).

Calling it what it is ("killing unborn babies") takes away the lie, and forces them to examine what they are actually doing.

They will vent untold, vicious, unending rage at you if you suggest they look at it honestly. Lies and self-delusion are all they have. And they've spent many decades to build up their protective insulation and make it that way.
Abortion has some pretty clear definitions and does not try to hide what it is.

Abortion
Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy by removal or expulsion of an embryo or fetus. An abortion that occurs without intervention is known as a miscarriage or "spontaneous abortion" and occurs in approximately 30% to 40% of pregnancies.

abortion
ə-bôr′shən
noun
Induced termination of a pregnancy with destruction of the embryo or fetus.
Any of various procedures that result in the termination of a pregnancy.
Cessation of normal growth, especially of an organ or other body part, prior to full development or maturation.

The issue is people conflating what a baby is vs what a growing clump of cells is.
People are trying to redefine set terminology to push a political wedge agenda.
A good chunk of 'pro-life' support a plethora of policies that completely fly in the face of pro-life.
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