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Old 05-17-2008, 03:03 PM
 
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It was the Clintons who initiated "No Child Left Behind" Hillary Clinton to be precise, not Bush.
1 point to LuckyGem..
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Old 05-17-2008, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Heartland Florida
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I have believed that everything pushed through as an "act" is just a way of diverting tax money to the well-connected.
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Old 05-17-2008, 03:10 PM
 
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I have believed that everything pushed through as an "act" is just a way of diverting tax money to the well-connected.
That might be true, but Neil Bush owns a private business, and not getting tax money.. so I'm not exactly sure what the issue is with the OP.
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Old 05-17-2008, 03:23 PM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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Default Hillary Clinton was the Architect of NCLB Act.

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The program is not working. There are tons of articles if anyone cares to do the research. It was only created and pushed thru legislation to enrich another Bush.

If it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck...it is a duck!

Why are some people still not outraged at the falsehoods heaped upon the American people by this Crime Family? There are so few that still buy into this administration's horse manure and it is amazing to me that anyone continues to support them.

Here's another tidbit...
Daily Kos: Neil Bush is traveling with Sun Myung Moon, here's what they are doing.

I suppose some Bushbot will defend and explain this one away too.
I wonder why Hillary Clinton supported it, and is now against it?

This bill was her "pet project" when the Clintons were going out of office in the late 1990's. Bush agreed to sign the "NCLB Act" when he went into office and that's what he did.

Bush might be a dog in many peoples eyes, but every ill and issue that people disagree on with him are not all of his creation. Bad Act + Bad Design can't all be blamed on Bush. Dislike him for whatever else you want to peg on him but the "NCLB Act" was set in motion BEFORE he went into office, all he did was sign it.

Meanwhile Hillary has flip flopped on this bill, and from what I remember it was originally envisioned by her to begin with toward the end of Bill's presidency.

Hillary Clinton's "it takes a village" speech and her saying "we have to make sure that no child is left behind" was the birth of the "NCLB Act".

I guess you totally forgot about that.

So if ANYONE has reaped any profit financially from it point to the Clintons.
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Old 05-17-2008, 03:42 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Does anyone realize how poorly our country's school systems are educating our children?

I've posted this before, on the Education forum... This is why NCLB is necessary...

Federal government intervention is needed because student achievement is actually much lower than indicated in public schools' state standards report cards. States are allowed to construct their own tests and set their own 'passing' scores. This has resulted in manipulations that make it look like schools are getting better, when in reality the majority of students in many states are far below acceptable levels of proficiency. In some cases, there's as much as a 70 percentage point difference in proficiency levels between state achievement tests and the NAEP (National Assessment of Educational Progress) tests.

Lake Wobegon, U.S.A. -- where all the children are above average
(Pay particular attention to the college prof's comment at the bottom of the above linked article. ) The article has been updated to include Bush's administration's proposal to require schools to include NAEP results on their school report cards so that parents can see if their states have been manipulating their standards tests and passing scores to deliberately mislead the public into thinking that their children are getting a better education in the public schools than they actually are.

<sarcasm>Gosh darn that Bush for not letting school systems lie to parents and the public anymore by telling us all that they're doing a much better job educating students than they actually are - that scoundrel!</sarcasm>

If you want to see your state's reported proficiency level vs. the NAEP proficiency level (to see if your public schools are being honest about providing an adequate education), check here:
NAEP Researchcenter - NAEP and State Equivalent Percent Table
For each grade level, the first column lists the percentage of students scoring as proficient (meets or exceeds state standards) on the state test; the second column lists the percentage of students scoring as proficient on the NAEP (National test).

Americans who know what's going on (or rather, what's not going on) in our nation's schools are growing increasingly dissatisfied with how poorly our students are being educated. Without the federal government intervention of NCLB, who knows how much further states will go to dumb down their standards and tests so their tax dollar-siphoning public schools will look good.
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Old 05-17-2008, 05:23 PM
 
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I'll research that further, but the version we got was Bush's and the teaching to the test nonsense was the other Bus.

frontline: testing our schools: no child left behind: the president's big test | PBS

Last edited by sickofnyc; 05-17-2008 at 05:25 PM.. Reason: link error
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Old 05-17-2008, 05:24 PM
 
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I'll research that further, but the version we got was Bush's and the teaching to the test nonsense was the other Bus.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl.../art/blank.gif
Out of all of your blah blah blah I hate Bush posts, you have yet to actually say one thing you dont like about NCLB, other then Bush!!!...
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Old 05-18-2008, 09:30 PM
 
Location: Huntington, NY
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Read this book:

The Book
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Old 05-19-2008, 01:03 AM
 
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Out of all of your blah blah blah I hate Bush posts, you have yet to actually say one thing you dont like about NCLB, other then Bush!!!...
It is underfunded, it punishes schools that do improve as rapidly as mandated without taking into consideration mitigating circumstances, and does in fact leave children behind, as the reading scores are now showing. As an instructional designer, I do not see the inherent problem in teaching to a test if the objectives and mastery of a subject are well defined and comprehensive, so I am not inherently against the idea. Having moved my children over the 9 times as part of a military family, I can personally attest to the higher standards in NY, VA and CA, and the far lower standards in FL( both rural and city), Nevada, Alabama, and Lousiana, so I do not see how the kids can possibly make the standards in the states that do not value education in their political process.
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Old 05-19-2008, 03:41 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Funny how these Bush's keep popping up. Like Marvin Bush who was a principal in Securicom, the company in charge of security at the twin towers on 9-11.
That's a false statement.
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