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Old 11-16-2021, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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But people NOT getting vaccinated is actually costing lives. Whether you me or anybody else gets vaccinated or not isn't going to make the slightest bit of difference to the 'system'. We could just all die from a virul infection I guess -that'll teach them.
I only believe that to be likely due to an engineered virus, so that's why I won't support the industry.
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Old 11-16-2021, 04:23 PM
 
Location: SE UK
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I only believe that to be likely due to an engineered virus, so that's why I won't support the industry.
I can't see how having the jab is 'supporting the industry' exactly? But I can see that you will be saving real lives! REAL human beings.
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Old 11-16-2021, 04:25 PM
 
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I can't see how having the jab is 'supporting the industry' exactly? But I can see that you will be saving real lives! REAL human beings.
What about the real deaths that the industry may nave caused?

Are you going to buy an AK47, if you're concerned about gun violence?
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Old 11-16-2021, 04:25 PM
 
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Fire away!?
What happens if the IgG1 and IgG3 produced by the vaccines still bind to epitopes of the s1 unit of the virus but don't neutralize it?
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Old 11-16-2021, 04:32 PM
 
Location: SE UK
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What happens if the IgG1 and IgG3 produced by the vaccines still bind to epitopes of the s1 unit of the virus but don't neutralize it?
The vaccines have all gone through the relevant tests, the virus may well mutate and become more resistant to the vaccines but even if it does it is unlikely to render the vaccines completely inaffective and even then it will be easier to modify the existent vaccines than it will be to re-invent from scratch. So don't worry.

But don't take it from me (some bloke on the internet) because you might as well believe that bloke in his kitchen! Instead just take a look at the scientific data, its all here:-

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...ryand2july2021
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...ights/vaccines
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/22/4-ch...n-the-uk-.html
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/o...-by-up-to-half
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Old 11-16-2021, 04:40 PM
 
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The vaccines have all gone through the relevant tests, the virus may well mutate and become more resistant to the vaccines but even if it does it is unlikely to render the vaccines completely inaffective
The way the virus currently enters cells is through the ACE2 receptor.

Macrophages, neutrophils, eosinophils, and dendritic cells don't have ACE2. Virus cannot infect them.

But,

If IgG1 and IgG3 bind, and don't neutralize, then they can enter all the above cells I mentioned via Fc-gamma-RI/CD64.

You cannot test for this, it's up to pure chance, and antigenic drift. Something you're giving the virus a lot of opportunity by mass vaccinating but not controlling transmission.

Maybe the reason they're panicking about boosters. Wink wink, nod nod.
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Old 11-16-2021, 04:42 PM
 
Location: SE UK
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The way the virus currently enters cells is through the ACE2 receptor.

Macrophages, neutrophils, eosinophils, and dendritic cells don't have ACE2. Virus cannot infect them.

But,

If IgG1 and IgG3 bind, and don't neutralize, then they can enter all the above cells I mentioned via Fc-gamma-RI/CD64.

You cannot test for this, it's up to pure chance, and antigenic drift. Something you're giving the virus a lot of opportunity by mass vaccinating but not controlling transmission.

Maybe the reason they're panicking about boosters. Wink wink, nod nod.
They're NOT 'panicking'!? Who's 'panicking' exactly??

The fact is the vaccines have all been scientifically proven to work, its all here if you want to take a look:-

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...ryand2july2021
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/22/4-ch...n-the-uk-.html
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...ights/vaccines
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/o...-by-up-to-half

Here are the scientific findings of effectiveness of the booster jabs rolled out in Israel:-

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2114255
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Old 11-16-2021, 04:44 PM
 
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They're NOT 'panicking'!? Who's 'panicking' exactly??

The fact is the vaccines have all been scientifically proven to work, its all here if you want to take a look:-

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...ryand2july2021
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/22/4-ch...n-the-uk-.html
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...ights/vaccines
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/o...-by-up-to-half
You don't think mandating people get "boosters" is panicking? If vaccines are working, why are we still tracking COVID numbers, and talking about boosters?
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Old 11-16-2021, 04:46 PM
 
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You don't think mandating people get "boosters" is panicking? If vaccines are working, why are we still tracking COVID numbers, and talking about boosters?
Again here are the scientific findings of the booster program in Israel:-

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2114255

They're 'working' alright!
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Old 11-16-2021, 04:47 PM
 
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Again here are the scientific findings of the booster program in Israel:-

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2114255

They're 'working' alright!
So were the 2 doses - until they weren't. And then they needed a 3, lost their green passes were locked down again, until they boosted.
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