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How do we know or not that the medical examiner wasn't paid to lie on the stand?
But the real blame lands on the prosecutors of that county that continue to let animals out to destroy communities. At least Floyd isn't around anymore to hurt anyone else. And word on the street is that Chauvin has been moved to a secured location where his team is working on an appeal....
No question Chauvin used excessive force which was not needed after Floyd was cuffed did it directly cause the death maybe not doesn't matter according to the law. I don't agree with prosecuting the other officers who where there but the law is the law. Since someone died and Chauvin was committing a crime with excessive force it's no different then getaway driver waiting in a car while 2 other guys rob a store end up wrestling over the gun shoot a store clerk no one planned to kill anyone. The getaway driver is guilty of murder also. I'm not sure I agree with those laws, but when it's a robbery everyone wants the lock them up when the police break laws have to face the same laws. This is what happened with the McMichael's in the Arbery case felony murder.
The Kim Potter case is completely different this was a legitimate accident the prosecutors even admit to that in one breath and in another they claim she knowingly mishandled a firearm? I don't get how they can just lie like that with word trickery and obviously a jury who either ignored the jury instruction because they felt sorry for Wrights family, or too dumb to understand how the prosecutor played them. I wasn't too impressed with Earl Gray Potters attorney. I wonder if they offered Potter a plea deal and Gray talked her into going to trial.
It is good to see these keystone cops held accountable for their actions. They've been getting away with far too much for far too long. Enforcing the law does not make one above the law.
I suspect the judge will throw out the jury verdict. Failing that I expect an appellate court to. I think she was just doing her job and the jurors don't trust the Minnesota government to protect them from ̶r̶i̶o̶t̶e̶r̶s̶ seekers of justice for Daunte.
I suspect the judge will throw out the jury verdict. Failing that I expect an appellate court to. I think she was just doing her job and the jurors don't trust the Minnesota government to protect them from ̶r̶i̶o̶t̶e̶r̶s̶ seekers of justice for Daunte.
I would be shocked if the judge in the potter case throws it out she already talking about sentencing.
Here is a interview with the lead Prosecutor originally assigned to the Potter case who ended resigning over it because he says the case was taken from him by the state Attorney Generals office after political pressure was applied to prosecute her on murder charges. Interesting what he had to say.
Who knows? Maybe victory on appeal. I cannot see this as a rational verdict.
This is why I keep saying juries are risky and unpredictable when I talk to CCW holders about these cases when they can pull guns. If you end up with a politically motivated prosecutor and a bad jury could easily find yourself in prison like Kim Potter.
For an appeal to be successful, Potter needs a new lawyer. Current atty not even mediocre. How could Potter stand this guy? He was awful. He should have been fired long before the trial began. Doubt very much that Potter was offered a plea - Ellison wouldn't have allowed it. This case had to go to trial to serve his political agenda. Facts don't matter in the current racial "justice" climate.
I hope the judge will do the right thing and be extremely forgiving when it’s time for sentencing of this poor woman. I’m half Black, like the person who was accidentally shot, but in this case, mercy should be given by both the courts and churches.
Again, beyond sad. A dead man and a destroyed woman and some how many people still want blood.
On a side-note, this is sending a message to all law enforcement that doing nothing is now a safe bet and a way to stay out of prison…. Sadly, I can’t blame them and it will be the people who will end up paying the price, in the end.
Agree in full. The judge needs to avoid an excessive sentence, as should Potter appeal, Potter wins. The premeditation part of the verdict would not withstand an appeal, and if she wins, she could not be tried again, on the lesser charge of negligent homicide which would stick, w/o new evidence.
For an appeal to be successful, Potter needs a new lawyer. Current atty not even mediocre. How could Potter stand this guy? He was awful. He should have been fired long before the trial began. Doubt very much that Potter was offered a plea - Ellison wouldn't have allowed it. This case had to go to trial to serve his political agenda. Facts don't matter in the current racial "justice" climate.
Are you talking about Earl Gray he was awful Paul Engh was much better at speaking. Gray could hardly speak kept mixing up his words.
No question Chauvin used excessive force which was not needed after Floyd was cuffed did it directly cause the death maybe not doesn't matter according to the law. I don't agree with prosecuting the other officers who where there but the law is the law. Since someone died and Chauvin was committing a crime with excessive force it's no different then getaway driver waiting in a car while 2 other guys rob a store end up wrestling over the gun shoot a store clerk no one planned to kill anyone. The getaway driver is guilty of murder also. I'm not sure I agree with those laws, but when it's a robbery everyone wants the lock them up when the police break laws have to face the same laws. This is what happened with the McMichael's in the Arbery case felony murder.
I don't get that whole thing either. If you broke the law, you broke the law.
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The Kim Potter case is completely different this was a legitimate accident the prosecutors even admit to that in one breath and in another they claim she knowingly mishandled a firearm? I don't get how they can just lie like that with word trickery and obviously a jury who either ignored the jury instruction because they felt sorry for Wrights family, or too dumb to understand how the prosecutor played them.
The problem is Potter claimed she mistakeningly fired her gun when she meant to fire her Taser. That excuse sounds fishy. I mean doesn't a pistol and a Taser or similar stun-gun have a different weight in your hand? Doesn't a pistol and a Taser feel different in your hand? I don't understand why that is so hard for people to wrap around their heads.
Second is for it to be an accident, that doesn't exactly absolves someone from guilt and taking the punishment for said crime. I mean people get ticketed for accidentally ignoring a stop sign (either because they forgot it was there, didn't see it or whatever.) A speeding ticket often isn't overturned unless the speed wasn't put in (harder to do today with the print-outs) once it is typed up. If it is a medical emergency, maybe just maybe the officer gives you an escort if you get pulled over. Why should accidentally killing someone not be held to some sort of accountability to the law?
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I wasn't too impressed with Earl Gray Potters attorney. I wonder if they offered Potter a plea deal and Gray talked her into going to trial.
There's honestly about four possibilities here, but there could always be more:
Potter said under no circumstances to take any plea bargains.
Potter was given a plea bargain and thought she stood a better chance at trial.
Potter was given a plea bargain but Gray balked at it without discussion with Potter.
Potter was given a plea bargain but through Gray counter-offered beyond the prosecution's BATNA.
There could be more, but those are the likely ones here. Two of which had to have Potter input at the least while the third and fourth, might have been something Potter said in private and not when the bargain was offered. Unless you are the prosecutor, defense attorney or the accused, it is hard to know if there was a plea bargain offered and if it was, how seriously the defense considered the terms and perhaps counter-offered themselves out of a deal.
I don't get that whole thing either. If you broke the law, you broke the law.
The problem is Potter claimed she mistakeningly fired her gun when she meant to fire her Taser. That excuse sounds fishy. I mean doesn't a pistol and a Taser or similar stun-gun have a different weight in your hand? Doesn't a pistol and a Taser feel different in your hand? I don't understand why that is so hard for people to wrap around their heads.
Second is for it to be an accident, that doesn't exactly absolves someone from guilt and taking the punishment for said crime. I mean people get ticketed for accidentally ignoring a stop sign (either because they forgot it was there, didn't see it or whatever.) A speeding ticket often isn't overturned unless the speed wasn't put in (harder to do today with the print-outs) once it is typed up. If it is a medical emergency, maybe just maybe the officer gives you an escort if you get pulled over. Why should accidentally killing someone not be held to some sort of accountability to the law?
There's honestly about four possibilities here, but there could always be more:
Potter said under no circumstances to take any plea bargains.
Potter was given a plea bargain and thought she stood a better chance at trial.
Potter was given a plea bargain but Gray balked at it without discussion with Potter.
Potter was given a plea bargain but through Gray counter-offered beyond the prosecution's BATNA.
There could be more, but those are the likely ones here. Two of which had to have Potter input at the least while the third and fourth, might have been something Potter said in private and not when the bargain was offered. Unless you are the prosecutor, defense attorney or the accused, it is hard to know if there was a plea bargain offered and if it was, how seriously the defense considered the terms and perhaps counter-offered themselves out of a deal.
Your talking about traffic infractions it's not the same when someone is referring to manslaughter.
Let me make an example of what happened would be the same fire engine is driving to a burning house with lights and sirens they come to an intersection with cars. Traffic stops they go though the red light intersection a man steps out from behind a box truck they run him over is that manslaughter or just an accident?
Fireman driving the truck doing his job as he was trained prosecutor calls a witness to the stand who is a law professor who is paid $50k he testifies the fire truck should have just waited for the light to change because other fire trucks would respond. Jury convicts and firemen goes to prison for 10 years. This is exactly like Potters case. This is where we are today accidents are no longer accidents they are criminal.
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