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Who is underestimating Russia? While Russia has been weakened, the West has been busy gobbling up former Soviet bloc countries into NATO. Doesn't sound like we are underestimating them. Sounds like we are getting stronger in case they stand back up.
Vladimir is that you?.....”illegal coup”? How did the US have anything to do with the people of Ukraine ousting a Russian puppet from power? It is Russian troops that have been on Ukraine soil involved in a neighboring civil war is it not? Russia seized Crimea from Ukraine did it not? Putin is a bully. Russia is a threat to Eastern Europe. The Ukrainians are victims of geography, unfortunately for them they are located next to an aggressive neighbor. Russia has ambitions to restore its soviet era borders. Ukraine does not stand a chance, we all know that. The question is how we respond to the Russian aggression. Russia should be politically and economically isolated as a punishment for their behavior. NATO needs to be ready to contain Russia just like we did during the Cold War. They are no where near as powerful as they were then so it should be much easier to do then it was then.
It's very hard to argue with people who were indoctrinated with b.s.
Vladimir is that you?.....”illegal coup”? How did the US have anything to do with the people of Ukraine ousting a Russian puppet from power?
1.Nuland ( and McCain) arriving at the Maidan square while the Molotov cocktails have been hurled at police.
2. Nuland discussing the appointment of the new ( American puppet) government with G. Pyatt ( not to mention those $5 billions America spent on "democracy" ( read change of the government) in Ukraine.
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It is Russian troops that have been on Ukraine soil involved in a neighboring civil war is it not?
3. As much as American military instructors.
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Russia seized Crimea from Ukraine did it not?
4. The majority of Crimeans are ethnic Russians.
They never wanted to be part of Ukraine to begin with. So they seized their chance to get out of that Ukrainian nationalistic cesspool.
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Putin is a bully.
5.Nah, just wants his security in this case.
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Russia is a threat to Eastern Europe.
6. What's there in Eastern Europe that Russia needs/wants?
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The Ukrainians are victims of geography,
7. Nah, they are the victims of their own stupidity, since
A. They were always dependent on Russia economically and this can't be changed,
B. There was never "one and united Ukraine" in history.
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unfortunately for them they are located next to an aggressive neighbor.
8.Unfortunately for them, they are the place of birth of Russia itself)))
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Russia has ambitions to restore its soviet era borders.
Economy wise - yes.
Otherwise it's too expensive to subsidize everyone with energy resources (at least that's what post-Soviet government thinks/believes.)
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Ukraine does not stand a chance, we all know that.
Thank you, and it doesn't stand the chance precisely for the reasons I stated above.
Plus what Westerner wants to die for Ukraine, other than the opportunistic thugs coming for "Safari" in Donbass region?
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The question is how we respond to the Russian aggression. Russia should be politically and economically isolated as a punishment for their behavior. NATO needs to be ready to contain Russia just like we did during the Cold War. They are no where near as powerful as they were then so it should be much easier to do then it was then.
P.S. Oh, and these are American Javelins in Donbass, that were neeever supposed to be used there ( according to the person who was selling it to Ukraine - that "special envoy" what's his name... Kurt Volker.
Too bad he had to resign from his position earlier, while being called to testify against Trump during "Ukrainegate." ( What happened there? Some *conflict of interest*? He-he.)
Too bad, otherwise it would be interesting to ask him, how come these Javelins that were intended for "the defensive purposes only" are ending up now in Donbass, in violation of all agreements?
Oh but Ukrainians received plenty of LOANS that they have to repay, rest assured.
That's the sign of definite *love and support.*
Now why would this be a case, such difference in approach?
Inquiring minds want to know.
It's the theme the US has followed for more than a century. Take over a country and destroy it then keep it down by exploiting it in various ways. The slave nation can never rise off its knees to possibly challenge its master.
Invest in useless causes within the country or white elephant projects that never materialize because the money is just recycled via the corrupt managers in place back to the corrupt masters.
Laos, Mayanmar and Cambodia for the last 50 years have been isolated and or in thrall to such a system. Now China is changing things there. The US is having a fit.
Vladimir is that you?.....”illegal coup”? How did the US have anything to do with the people of Ukraine ousting a Russian puppet from power?
That was a fairly elected leader ousted by violence, ousted by a group mad that they lost the elections.
Would you like that in the US? Did you appreciate folks like the January 6th rioters?
Would you like the president you voted for ousted by people who voted for someone else and lost? What would you do in such a situation?
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It is Russian troops that have been on Ukraine soil involved in a neighboring civil war is it not?
Why yes, yes they are. Russia involves itself with issues of national security, same as every country does, or is this another hypocritical stance from the US?
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Russia seized Crimea from Ukraine did it not?
Yes they did, thankfully and not thankfully. Tired of Kiev's yoke around the place.
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Putin is a bully.
Every country that is a player has a bulling foreign policy stance, that is the only way to survive.
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Russia is a threat to Eastern Europe.
Please explain in what way? History shows Western and Eastern Europe are a threat to Russia, the invasions have been coming from what direction?
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The Ukrainians are victims of geography, unfortunately for them they are located next to an aggressive neighbor.
Lol, you know zero about Ukraine. Goodness...
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Russia has ambitions to restore its soviet era borders.
No they do not, Russia even refused a new union with several SSR's after the USSR broke apart, because it did not want those money draining places attached to it. Hell, Russia has not even absorbed other areas into it despite requested by those areas.
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Ukraine does not stand a chance, we all know that.
Stand a chance of what? Ukraine has had more chances than anyone deserves, they blew it when they decided to toss the constitution out and oust by force a democratically elected president all because they were mad they lost an election.
After that, all options are on the table, Ukraine ceased being a country as it was. People generally are not going to sit idle and let people who lost an election oust the election winner, then turn around and condemn those groups who voted for the winner.
How anyone could support such absurdity is beyond me.
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The question is how we respond to the Russian aggression.
Well, could just, you know, mind our business.
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Russia should be politically and economically isolated as a punishment for their behavior.
What behavior? Ukraine is the country that should be severely punished for what they did and are currently doing. But the US/West taking the sides of the bad guy is nothing new, lol, we defend Saudi Arabia after all.
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NATO needs to be ready to contain Russia just like we did during the Cold War.
NATO needs something to do aside from attacking countries that have nothing to do with NATO nor aggression against it. NATO is an organization in search of a mission. At that, Russia has zero desire to expand by force into any NATO area.
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They are no where near as powerful as they were then so it should be much easier to do then it was then.
Russia is probably more powerful now than the USSR. The USSR had the communist noose around its neck that interfered with every little thing that happened, and its influence globally was merely riding the coattail of dissent against failed capitalist governments. Russia has none of that keeping it down, nor a giant, inefficient, force to maintain and upkeep, the idiocy of "better is the enemy of good enough".
NATO needs something to do aside from attacking countries that have nothing to do with NATO nor aggression against it. NATO is an organization in search of a mission.
North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), 1949
The North Atlantic Treaty Organization was created in 1949 by the United States, Canada, and several Western European nations to provide collective security against the Soviet Union.
My guess is that Russia will walk into Ukraine, western leaders will wag their fingers and it will all be over in a month. China may do the same with Taiwan, and the reaction from the west will be the same. The West is dead.
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