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Vladimir (via zoom): Hey, Poopy Pants, we just detonated several nuclear missiles in our former territories of eastern Europe. What are you going to do about it?
Poopy: I used to be a trucker! And a cowboy's helper's helper... My butt's been wiped! Or has it?
Secret Service Agent: Jesus, I was wondering what smelled so bad in here.
Vladimir (via zoom): (laughs hysterically) Yes, your butt certainly HAS been wiped. In more ways than you can imagine, Babushka.
This is just a well-orchestrated pressure campaign by Russia to cut off the Ukraine's NATO ambitions. That's all there is. There won't be any Ukraine invasion, no Russian nukes unleashed on Europe. Just a large-scale scare tactic that I'm afraid will prove successful with our friend in the White House likely to lose his nerve.
I think that this announcement is make NATO back away. It is a scare tactic.
But I don't agree that there will be no invasion of Ukraine, they have already done it. They will take a huge slice of Ukraine if they are not stopped. Probably the ultimate goal is to seize the entire Black Sea coast eventually, linking up with Moldova and making Ukraine a landlocked rump state like Belarus.
They need to act on this before Ukraine joins NATO, so the plan is in the works.
Finland is strengthening it's ties with the West, with the countries recent order for 60 F-35 Aircraft being a case in point.
Finland is also part of the UK Joint Expeditionary Force.
"The UK Joint Expeditionary Force (JEF) is a United Kingdom-led expeditionary force which may consist of, as necessary, Denmark, Finland, Estonia, Iceland, Latvia, Lithuania, the Netherlands, Sweden and Norway. It is distinct from the similarly named Franco-British Combined Joint Expeditionary Force".
Why?
Is Russia threatening Finland with takeover too?
( Besides, Finland IS part of the West, ( as much as Sweden that is not part of NATO, so may be it needs to "strengthen its ties with the West" too, since Sweden comes across as such an "Eastern" country"?)
And yes, while not making any hostile moves towards Russia, Finland is getting all it needs from there economy wise.
A good question. One that will not be asked though.
Remember...Russia is the "bad guy".
We like to be told half of a story so we all come to the "wrong" conclusion which is the conclusion they want us to come to.
Then...any type of war can be justified. Haven't we had enough of these "stories" told to us over the years to justify war ?
People have got to start reading news from sources outside of the US to get the full story of what is going on globally from all sides.
The question is - why exactly?
The next question is why exactly was Russia not admitted in NATO after it put the sabers down and got rid of the communist ideology?
Well Crimea threw a wrench in that coup because they asked Russia to help them.
The US is seeking vengeance.
Pretty much.
( Although I would say that the whole "Ukrainian affair" is the US seeking vengeance after the plans towards Russia didn't quite work out back in the 90ies.
So the US decided to take yet another swipe at Russia down the road.)
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Why?
Is Russia threatening Finland with takeover too?
( Besides, Finland IS part of the West, ( as much as Sweden that is not part of NATO, so may be it needs to "strengthen its ties with the West" too, since Sweden comes across as such an "Eastern" country"?)
And yes, while not making any hostile moves towards Russia, Finland is getting all it needs from there economy wise.
Finland is eagerly watching Russian military expansion in the Arctic region, and as well as buying 64 F-35's has indicated that it might well join NATO, with Sweden also considering it's options.
A new arms race and more sanctions will just cause Russia to repeat the same mistakes as in the 80's, when the Soviet Union all but bankrupted it's self when it became embroiled in an arms race with the US under the Reagan administration.
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Russia’s call for guarantees against the NATO alliance expanding eastwards got a swift response from Finnish President Sauli Niinistö, who released a statement emphasising Finland’s “national room to manoeuvre”, including the possibility of military alignment and applying for NATO membership.
Niinistö referred to NATO as a stabilising factor in Europe and mentioned its “Open Door Policy” for new potential members, potentially including Finland.
Before Finland’s response, Putin suggested in a speech to foreign diplomats on 2 December in Moscow, that there be a deal where NATO would commit itself not to accept new Eastern members. Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov repeated the proposal in a meeting with his American counterpart Antony Blinken.
Finland is eagerly watching Russian military expansion in the Arctic region, and as well as buying 64 F-35's has indicated that it might well join NATO, with Sweden also considering it's options.
A new arms race and more sanctions will just cause Russia to repeat the same mistakes as in the 80's, when the Soviet Union all but bankrupted it's self when it became embroiled in an arms race with the US under the Reagan administration.
"For those already in favour of NATO membership, the Russian initiative came as confirmation that the time to apply is now. However, Finnish Defence Minister Antti Kaikkonen cooled the debate in a Helsingin Sanomat interview, saying that there are no preparations or plans to send an application. Currently, 50% of Finns oppose NATO membership while 25% support it, though numbers in favour of membership have slightly increased recently."
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