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Old 12-14-2021, 08:06 PM
 
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So is it Cold War II? Or just the same Cold War that never ended?
https://www.reuters.com/world/russia...ria-2021-12-13

And what exactly can Biden or any other president do without it escalating to terrifying conclusions?
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Old 12-14-2021, 08:12 PM
 
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This is just a well-orchestrated pressure campaign by Russia to cut off the Ukraine's NATO ambitions. That's all there is. There won't be any Ukraine invasion, no Russian nukes unleashed on Europe. Just a large-scale scare tactic that I'm afraid will prove successful with our friend in the White House likely to lose his nerve.
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Old 12-14-2021, 08:12 PM
 
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It's totes appropes.. we have nuclear weapons forward deployed across the globe. Hell on a given day we have 12 boomer subs submerged with 150+ nuclear warheads each that can be launched while submerged and each warhead can independently target different sites.


If we can position these subs anywhere globally (off the northern coast of russia off the coast of china) than they have every right to move warheads within their own borders.
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Old 12-14-2021, 08:17 PM
 
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Not in Europe.
In the Russia European region. That is big difference in words.
And, ONLY hypothetically, if NATO will not stop deploying THEIR nuclear missiles next to Russian boarders.
Why is it that NATO has full blown right to deploy its missiles anywhere it wants to and Russia has no such right to do on its own territory?
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Old 12-15-2021, 07:27 AM
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This is just a well-orchestrated pressure campaign by Russia to cut off the Ukraine's NATO ambitions. That's all there is. There won't be any Ukraine invasion, no Russian nukes unleashed on Europe. Just a large-scale scare tactic that I'm afraid will prove successful with our friend in the White House likely to lose his nerve.



Russia want's the West to join it in a moratorium on intermediate-range nuclear forces (INF) in Europe, which would form part of a package of security guarantees it is seeking as the price for defusing the crisis over Ukraine.

The US withdrew from the INF pact in 2019 after complaining for years of alleged violations revolving around Russia's development of a ground-launched cruise missile that Moscow calls the 9M729 and NATO refers to as the "Screwdriver".

As for current tensions and relations they are down to Putin and his regime and not the West.
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Old 12-15-2021, 07:42 AM
 
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This is just a well-orchestrated pressure campaign by Russia to cut off the Ukraine's NATO ambitions. That's all there is. There won't be any Ukraine invasion, no Russian nukes unleashed on Europe. Just a large-scale scare tactic that I'm afraid will prove successful with our friend in the White House likely to lose his nerve.

Finland has managed to avoid all this by not joining NATO. The Russian always explain what they would have to do if they did. So, Finland doesn't.
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Old 12-15-2021, 08:11 AM
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Finland has managed to avoid all this by not joining NATO. The Russian always explain what they would have to do if they did. So, Finland doesn't.
Finland is strengthening it's ties with the West, with the countries recent order for 60 F-35 Aircraft being a case in point.

Finland is also part of the UK Joint Expeditionary Force.

"The UK Joint Expeditionary Force (JEF) is a United Kingdom-led expeditionary force which may consist of, as necessary, Denmark, Finland, Estonia, Iceland, Latvia, Lithuania, the Netherlands, Sweden and Norway. It is distinct from the similarly named Franco-British Combined Joint Expeditionary Force".

UK Joint Expeditionary Force - Wikipedia
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Old 12-15-2021, 08:14 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Not in Europe.
In the Russia European region. That is big difference in words.
And, ONLY hypothetically, if NATO will not stop deploying THEIR nuclear missiles next to Russian boarders.
Why is it that NATO has full blown right to deploy its missiles anywhere it wants to and Russia has no such right to do on its own territory?
A good question. One that will not be asked though.

Remember...Russia is the "bad guy".

We like to be told half of a story so we all come to the "wrong" conclusion which is the conclusion they want us to come to.

Then...any type of war can be justified. Haven't we had enough of these "stories" told to us over the years to justify war ?

People have got to start reading news from sources outside of the US to get the full story of what is going on globally from all sides.
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Old 12-15-2021, 08:18 AM
 
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All of this tension goes back to the U.S. backed coup in Ukraine in 2014, which got rid of the democratically elected government and replaced it with an anti-Russian, pro-U.S. puppet regime:

https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2018/06/0...up-in-ukraine/

Of course U.S. mainstream media outlets won't let any of you know about any of this.
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Old 12-15-2021, 08:21 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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All of this tension goes back to the U.S. backed coup in Ukraine in 2014, which got rid of the democratically elected government and replaced it with an anti-Russian, pro-U.S. puppet regime:

https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2018/06/0...up-in-ukraine/

Of course U.S. mainstream media outlets won't let any of you know about any of this.
Well Crimea threw a wrench in that coup because they asked Russia to help them.

The US is seeking vengeance.
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