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That would be an invasion by a foreign power. China has never had any claim to any territory within the United States, unlike the US government, which owned considerable property in the South, and the South was historically a part of the US.
A better analogy would be if China were to invade, blockade and pillage Taiwan. In that case, the US will be like Great Britain was during the Civil War, trying to decide whether to recognize the rebellious nation.
It went over your head. When this nation was formed it was sovereign states in a federal union with very limited powers and full powers were within the states like the founding fathers meant it. They distrust a powerful central government.
Lincoln had no authority to invade and blockade the sovereign states in the South. Everything he did was illegal and unconstitutional.
you might need to crack open that history book again. tell us the date of the authorization of black soldiers and compare that to the start of the war and the proclamation.
As I said in a previous post, actual dates are now labelled as lies and unimportant according to left narrative. (so are correct answers in math, but I digress)
You're cherry-picking history to fit your narrative. Sure, on paper the official use of blacks as Rebel soldiers wasn't until 1865 but they were used behind the lines for years prior to that, for labor, carrying supplies and so on.
The right is trying to desperately spin the Civil War to make the Union into somehow pro-slavery. It's ridiculous.
The simple truth is control is established by the strong. Who knows how this nation would have turned out if the confederacy won... chances are slavery would have been abolished eventually.
Absolutely. After the Mexican invasion of the war-worn Confederate states, they'd pretty much have to obey Mexican law.
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Slavery was doomed and had ticking clock the day the state was ratified into the United States. The big lie was the Civil War was about slavery when it was really about state rights in still a newly formed country.
States' rights to do what, exactly? Oh yeah - slavery.
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People fought for their states including free black people in the confederacy.
The free black fighting for the South is almost exclusively a myth.
There was in fact a militia of free black men who offered their services - 1st Louisiana Native Guard.
But that put the Southern Gentlemen in a bit of a bind, didn't it? The cornerstone of their new government was that for a black man, "slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition". So - somewhat embarrassing. And, of course, for a lot of the slave states it was a crime for a black man, free or not, to even be armed. So the Guard was never issued uniforms or armed, and those who didn't get that hint probably figured it out when their unit was officially disbanded in 1862. (A few took offense to this rather callous treatment and joined the Union instead when an opportunity presented itself.)
And yes, in 1865, when the South was cornered like rats, it was suggested that one could arm the slaves in return for promises of manumission. Even that was too much for a lot of the Confederates to swallow. Admitting that blacks could fight as soldiers? Complete betrayal of Southern ideals, that.
There were black slaves and free workers following their masters, doing the grunt work in camp, fortifications, as teamsters etc. No doubt some of these would grab a weapon if their encampment was attacked. Loyalty is a strange thing. But the idea of the black soldiers eagerly fighting for their slave state en masse? Post-war propaganda.
so you admit the feds invaded the South and put Americans in jail with no due process. All because they declared their independence. Hmmm, looks like what every tyrant did in history.
The US government has every right to suppress insurrections on US territory. It's right there in the Constitution.
so you admit the feds invaded the South and put Americans in jail with no due process. All because they declared their independence. Hmmm, looks like what every tyrant did in history.
Agreed.. Lincoln certainly had some tyrant qualities...
It went over your head. When this nation was formed it was sovereign states in a federal union with very limited powers and full powers were within the states like the founding fathers meant it. They distrust a powerful central government.
Lincoln had no authority to invade and blockade the sovereign states in the South. Everything he did was illegal and unconstitutional.
The south was dominated by a system that violated natural law by allowing for the ownership of humans. And the formation of the confederacy was explicitly motivated by the desire to preserve this system. And to spread it westward and to the south down into Latin America.
Due to this fact, the confederate states had no rights as an entity that any nation was morally bound to respect. It was an extraordinary situation that constituted a long-term civilizational threat to the entire western hemisphere, and required action not unduly constrained by flawed legal technicalities.
The US government has every right to suppress insurrections on US territory. It's right there in the Constitution.
So I guess countries declaring their independence is illegal. This country was founded illegally. An illegal government going after another illegal government.
So I guess countries declaring their independence is illegal. This country was founded illegally. An illegal government going after another illegal government.
A perfect example of 'to the victor goes the spoils.'. Since the North won, secession became an illegal act, had the North lost.. secession would be viable even today...
Wait, some states speak of it even today... of course there is no Abraham Lincoln around to squash those ideas so who knows.
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