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This info is blaming Democrats for the high crime and poverty in these cities. What specific Democratic policies have caused these problems?
Well, I am just going from my own family's experience.
My grandparents and parents were from Buffalo, NY. They were originally employed in the coal industry, and then when my parents were about to enter the workforce is when the EPA got signed and caused a lot of factories to close and many people were out of work. Coupled that with the rise of unions and it just made it too difficult for the blue collared worker to make ends meet. My grandparents retired and lived off of SS or military benefits, my parents packed up and moved to Florida to find work.
Thanks for a legitimate response most of the larger ones have the same issues of crime, schools and employment and none have ever been industrial like Detroit or the rest of the rust belt collection mentioned by the OP. The last 4 are tough to compare all are predominantly suburban with 3 of the 4 having significant military facilities providing a stable employment base and a more transient population.
This discussion comes up regularly, always the Democrats fault but why hasn't a Republican stepped up and show they can do it better? Your example of Giuliani (when he was coherent) show that they can step up. Even in very red states they don't want a GOP Mayor so why is that. I guess its easier to snipe from the sidelines instead of getting into the thick of it and making a difference.
Hate to say it, but a lot of the reason the Republicans haven't stepped forward is because the MSM will do nothing but talk trash and try and turn the public against them. The MSM is overwhelmingly controlled by the the rich elite, who make a lot of money with democrat policies like welfare that stifles out the smaller businesses and keeps wages low.
Well, I am just going from my own family's experience.
My grandparents and parents were from Buffalo, NY. They were originally employed in the coal industry, and then when my parents were about to enter the workforce is when the EPA got signed and caused a lot of factories to close and many people were out of work. Coupled that with the rise of unions and it just made it too difficult for the blue collared worker to make ends meet. My grandparents retired and lived off of SS or military benefits, my parents packed up and moved to Florida to find work.
The EPA was proposed by Richard Nixon, a Republican, and signed into law by an Executive Order in 1970.
Unions were supported by both Democrats and Republicans well into the 1990s, with pro-union legislation signed into law as late as Republican President Gerald Ford. Republican President Ronald Reagan at one time was even president of the Screen Actors Guild union.
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Mesa/Scottsdale is clean, functional and low crime and is Super-Duper Red.
As I said in my last post, suburbs and in this case upper middle class suburbs. They are far from any classification of a city for compression to the rust belt collection provided by the OP.
This info is blaming Democrats for the high crime and poverty in these cities. What specific Democratic policies have caused these problems?
New York City is your best example for this, it was destroyed by the Democrats in the late 60's to early 90's, then a Republican (Guilianni) completely cleaned it up and Bloomberg continued on the same path running as a Republican and New York had record prosperity and record low crime.
Bill De Blasio, a Democrat, then destroyed the city again over the course of his two terms
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Hate to say it, but a lot of the reason the Republicans haven't stepped forward is because the MSM will do nothing but talk trash and try and turn the public against them. The MSM is overwhelmingly controlled by the the rich elite, who make a lot of money with democrat policies like welfare that stifles out the smaller businesses and keeps wages low.
Hate to tell you but this wonderful phrase of "MSM" has only come up in the last few years. Your argument continues the trend of playing the victim that everything is against them even though these cities are often located in Red States, with Republican Governors how can that be if the deck is stacked the way you say? If low wages are a concern then why do Republicans fight to prevent the minimum wage from being raised? How does welfare (which the red states receive just as much) stifles out the smaller businesses?
Hate to say it, but a lot of the reason the Republicans haven't stepped forward is because the MSM will do nothing but talk trash and try and turn the public against them. The MSM is overwhelmingly controlled by the the rich elite, who make a lot of money with democrat policies like welfare that stifles out the smaller businesses and keeps wages low.
Spot on, and the MSM, more accurately Corporate Media, is completely captured by the same ideologues that have fanned out into all major institutions. They are all based in the same woke neo-Marxist/Postmodern Critical Theory that they are all trained in at College humanities programs.
It used to be that a reporter was not a credentialed position. Reporters worked out of high school basically just going out there and getting the story. Now you cannot get a position at a major media outlet without having gone through the same 4 years of indoctrination into an activist. They do not report, they spin spin spin. It can't be laying out a set of facts without comment, they have to turn everything into an essay with deeper meanings that they know better than you. At colleges any conservative viewpoints are crushed, and you can really see this mindset when graduates go on to these institutions
New York City is your best example for this, it was destroyed by the Democrats in the late 60's to early 90's, then a Republican (Guilianni) completely cleaned it up and Bloomberg continued on the same path running as a Republican and New York had record prosperity and record low crime.
Bill De Blasio, a Democrat, then destroyed the city again over the course of his two terms
NYC is a perfect example. Places like Detroit have other factors that helped contribute to it's demise.
NYC never lost it's financial base, it is truly diverse with different cultures, races and age groups. So it's rise and fall is purely on Democratic policies.
Legislative preference towards what is good for the ruling class and their cronies, not the average citizen
Hostility towards business, progress and urban renewal/maintenance (often railed against by using gentrification as a pejorative)
This creates a landscape where the productive working and SPENDING class leaves for friendlier pastures. They leave not only because they should, but also because they CAN. They call it white flight, to make it sound like some sort of racist villainy, but it is more appropriate to say "middle/upper class flight" because every middle/upper class black, hispanic or asian resident that can leave is in the moving truck in the lane next to the white family on the road out of the city and headed to that friendlier location.
What happens next is a political cycle we have seen countless times in the last 50-70 years. Democrats not only blame the GOP and white people generally, they also double down on the tax, legislative and economic policies that caused the middle/upper class flight in the first place.
Taxes too high, made people leave? Uh oh, tax base shrinking, raise taxes!!
Soft on crime made it too dangerous for normal, law abiding folks to stay? Uh oh, get softer on crime, blame white people!!
Economic regs too hostile to business, made them all leave? Uh oh, blame businesses and white people, make the environment even more hostile!!
Too many cronies getting busted for corruption? Uh oh, better get new cronies and more of them...and blame white people and the GOP!!
Basically, they set cities on fire and then spend a few decades looting them as they burn to the ground, and the entire time, they blame the Republicans and white people, who left town half a century ago.
This exact scenario has played out in liberal run towns, cities and states since the turn of the 20th century. And the liberal thing transcends party, because plenty of liberals hide in the GOP because they want to loot towns/cities that will only vote R based on tradition, but who the R is doesn't matter whatsoever.
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1. Hold minorities to lower standards. Convincing people they are victims. Taking exceptions and selling them as bigger issues than they really are. Claim others that don’t completely share their ideas are flawed people, or racist, or suffering from some ism.
2. Rarely look at their own party’s actions. Believe that they are free of flaws because they’re simply Democrats. Claim others are anti-science when they feel it advances their agenda, but rarely examine or recognize they select which ideas to support, believe, and advance, and ignore the science that counters their agenda.
3. Divide everyone up into neat little identity politics groups, then turn them on each other.
4. Promotes entitlement and government dependence, rather than self reliance and individual liberty, so that they can steal from the successful and raise everyone's taxes.
Overall, The biggest failure of the modern day Democratic party has been it’s abandoning of the middle and working classes and its embrace of identity politics. This has happened in conjunction with neo-liberals like Presidents Clinton and Obama embracing ideological globalism.
The problem?
They don’t have a handle on the Progressive Left.
The Progressive Left doesn’t like them. They view Democrats as corporatist, warmongering, rich-blood elites. (And they’re not entirely wrong.)
What’s the point of us listing all the terrible decisions and outcomes? You will never get a Democrat to list one or admit anything.
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