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How can one not admire detail and nuance in this post. You are of course just a foil in this so we can more or less ignore you as an intellectual void and consumer of propaganda and ideologically driven nonsense.
Using google translate: what you jut said is true and made sense, I have no counter.
This passion for these videos not surprisingly leaves most unexplained. About one-half of Mariupol is ethnic Russian with it a Russified city within the Donbas. Still separatism failed in in Mariupol in large part due to the local oligarch, Rinat Akhmetov. Akhmetov flirted with separatism, seeing himself the possible bridge between Russia and Ukraine with this a power-business opportunity. Then thought the better of it.
He had 300,000 workers not to mention their families and secondary businesses. At his orders: many thousands hit the street to stop the early May 2014 fighting and bring peace to the city. Always a noble goal, heh?
Armed separatists remained in control of a portion of the city but were finally forced out in heavy fighting in June 2014 that involved both the Azov and Dnipro-1 battalions along with some central government troops. By August 2014, Mariupol was finally completely separatist free and once again peaceful. Until Russia destroyed it, that is.
I understand.
The only possible explanation is that the armed thugs taking over in Kiev - that's the legitimate expression of the "will" of the "Ukrainian people." Any referendum that goes against those "peaceful decisions" is an "aggression" of the non-Ukrainian people, that must be suppressed by the Nazi battalions in the most peaceful manner.
Mariupol that never participated in anti-Yanukovich rallies, nor in Kiev's Maidan, must "remain free of the separatists" and peacefully submit under Azov Battalion.
That's understanding of "democracy" the Western way in this case.
You know, I don't think Ukraine cares a whit about Yugoslavia or Mexico or Cuba or Venezuela or any such places. Ukraine most likely cares about Ukraine.
Russians, of course, want political stability with their definitions likely differing from other countries, including places like Poland.
The problem is: Russia keeps goofing, this including Yanukovych (not that he directly represented Russia interests when it came to money, focused instead both on his personal fortune and the larger Ukrainian economy with the two possibly connected) ... then various Putin missteps, made worse by 'agency' on the part of both Russians and Ukrainian pro-Russians on the take.
More, Putin never should have sacked Serdkuyov who was actually modernizing the Russian army in favor of good pal Shoigu whose skills seem to lie in self-promotion.
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Russia abandoned Kharkiv because it had no reserves left. Ukrainian general staff and the Pentagon have said Russia has 19 BTGs in reserve in Belgorod, so why weren’t they rushed to Kharkiv to defend their supply lines? If there’s anything left in Russia, it’s likely shattered remnants and troops refusing to deploy or redeploy.
Now, with Russia already at its limits, Ukraine is taking direct aim at the largest concentration of Russian forces in Ukraine.
Guys, 20-25% of Russia’s entire Army is in that pocket.
Something big is happening.
I mean big, as in war-altering.
We were looking at Izyum’s supply hubs in Kupiansk and Vochansk. Ukraine is going straight for the jugular instead.
Looks like that new armament coming into Ukraine is altering the battle field. Need further verifications in the next few days but pay attention to that Izyum salient. Sounds like the beginning of what happened in Kyiv and Kharkiv.
Soviet union does not exist. That history class is calling you back.
since when? It never left. merely changed the name. I can take any person in your current 'russian' govt and equate them word for word, gesture for gesture with any number of soviet jew hating mass murdering, cannibalistic humanoid underground dwelling monsters.
History books indeed. what I find the MOST stunning, is the number of pro soviet (russian if you must) people posting here, around the world, who either forgot or never bothered to learn or just ignore your own history.
roughly 100 years ago, just after anastasia screamed in pain, all the lower class, working class, the peasants, the proles (as you called them in slang - proletariat in vernacular) were the ones who went to the work/prison/death camps. Among all the marxist nations history wide and long, *that* particular peculiarity has *always* held and indeed I mention it when my own countrymen yammer for a socialist/marxist regime to take over HERE. The 'build back broke' bill they would like to pass HERE, has in it, in clear language the 'work' camps. (climate conservation corps they call it). machine guns and torture and starving are never far behind. Just ask anyone over the age of 50 from your country who has been in the 'arts' (music, actual art, dance etc)
This is the biggest reason I tend to take nothing the proputinists ever say seriously - they have no idea of their OWN recent history and presume to lecture us. (even worse case is they DO have an idea but blather anyways)
Teleport americans off the planet right now. The rest of europe still hates you to the point of wishing your death. Only now, they are energized. and armed. and funded. Every time you open your mouth, you make it far far worse. I will munch popcorn and sip limoncella as you are exterminated - not out of satisfaction or glee, but rather TOLD.YOU.SO. You chose not to listen, this one is on you.
I dont know why you all object to being thought of as barbaric inhumane butchers....ya spent the last 80 years doing everything in your power to act the part. How do you tell when a soviet/russian is lying? Its awake.
It's that Russian major offensive that the *Western experts" were expecting BEFORE the 9th of May, but didn't happen.
With Ukrainian troops under a threat of being surrounded ( and thus asking Kiev's permission to withdraw,)- they never received this permission, so at this point they have no choice but to fight or to be evaporated/surrender, once they are completely surrounded.
Kiev is sending about 5,000 men more to the front lines ( mostly from the "territorial defense" units, that are not well-prepared for battles,) so I don't know how much it will change.
Russians are definitely NOT out of their reserves, so I am not sure what the game is near Kharkov's regions.
The only possible explanation is that the armed thugs taking over in Kiev - that's the legitimate expression of the "will" of the "Ukrainian people." Any referendum that goes against those "peaceful decisions" is an "aggression" of the non-Ukrainian people, that must be suppressed by the Nazi battalions in the most peaceful manner.
Mariupol that never participated in anti-Yanukovich rallies, nor in Kiev's Maidan, must "remain free of the separatists" and peacefully submit under Azov Battalion.
That's understanding of "democracy" the Western way in this case.
War is peace, freedom is slavery.
I get it.
Mariupol did not have a pro-Maidan instead many thousands hit the street opposed to separatism to in essence keep their jobs: in the end, language is not everything. Rinat Akhmetov controlled the strings. Azov and others were hired guns to push remaining armed separatists out, although Azov was not paid directly by Akhmetov (to my knowledge) but instead by Kolomoisky and others who were not 'good friends' with Akhmetov, so there must be some stories there. Still some number of Azov were literally from the Donbas, forced from homes by separatism so certainly they were 'motivated' by far more than a paycheck.
Akmetov's larger interest was in maintaining the peace and in not being hit by Western sanctions negatively impacting the incoming cash flow. What's to object to that really? The vast majority of Mariupol did not, even though they spoke Russian. Once the separatists departed, life went back to a seemingly happy normal. Until February 2022.
The referendums, the specific language used on them, the people's understanding, how they were conducted, who able to participate, a whole separate story ... to say they represented the will of the people is more than debatable. Methinks best to conduct another pre-invasion so-called referendum complete with photos and the death count.
Your: "War is peace, freedom is slavery." Some who pay the price may think differently.
Russia says it wants to reopen industry in Mariupol. That coke plant Russia shelled the other day in government-controlled Donetsk - killing 12 civilians at a bus stop - was owned and operated by Akhmetov. Wonder if that's a coincidence? Doubt coke is a war material, not in the same category as oil depots.
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