Russia has now invaded Ukraine (Putin, generation, deaths, border)

[ansible90]

Originally Posted by TMSRetired

I guess it's quicker than dental records

Little kids don't have much in the way of dental records. DNA is more accurate anyway.

[Steamhammer]

Originally Posted by PullMyFinger

I want him doxed.

No. This is not how things work! Geeks think the internet and social media will save the world by doxing, but the irony is the Internet and social media is what made this killer kill. Not the gun store.

[ClaraC]

Originally Posted by ansible90

Little kids don't have much in the way of dental records. DNA is more accurate anyway.

Here's a grim thought.

If you can't even recognize a child's face, maybe dental records won't be useful either.

It does seem strange, though. Obviously they have records of what kids were in that classroom, with those two teachers.

Any kid they can't identify, SURELY a parent could ID clothing?

At this point, you've got 19 kids who went to school that day who didn't return home, and 19 bodies. It doesn't seem it should take DNA . . .

[SanyBelle]

Originally Posted by TamaraSavannah

Mighty fast, coordinated trigger pull to be able to achieve 10 rounds per second. It sounds like a falsehood someone put out in the media that people picked it up and ran with, proclaiming it true.

So what is the real rounds per second?

Edited to add that GuyNTexas answered at the same time I posted. Thanks for the info!

[JohnBoy64]

Todays Update....it's getting ugly

Russian President Vladimir Putin is inflicting unspeakable suffering on Ukrainians and demanding horrible sacrifices of his own people in an effort to seize a city that does not merit the cost, even for him.

The Russian invasion of Ukraine that aimed to seize and occupy the entire country has become a desperate and bloody offensive to capture a single city in the east while defending important but limited gains in the south and east.

When the Battle of Severodonetsk ends, regardless of which side holds the city, the Russian offensive at the operational and strategic levels will likely have culminated, giving Ukraine the chance to restart its operational-level counteroffensives to push Russian forces back.

Russian forces are assaulting Severdonetsk even though they have not yet encircled it.

The Russians are paying a price for their current tactical success that is out of proportion to any real operational or strategic benefit they can hope to receive.

The Russians continue to make extremely limited progress in their efforts to gain control of the unoccupied areas of Donetsk Oblast, meanwhile.

Russian progress around Severdonetsk results largely from the fact that Moscow has concentrated forces, equipment, and materiel drawn from all other axes on this one objective.

Ukrainian forces are also suffering serious losses in the Battle of Severodonetsk, as are Ukrainian civilians and infrastructure.

Evidence of eroding military professionalism in the Russian officer corps is mounting.

The Ukrainian Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) reported that Russian commanders are attempting to preserve military equipment by forbidding drivers from evacuating wounded servicemen or providing supplies to units that have advanced too far.[1] Refusing to risk equipment to evacuate wounded personnel on the battlefield—other than in extraordinary circumstances—is a remarkable violation of core principles of military professionalism.

Waning professionalism among Russia’s officers could present Ukrainian forces with opportunities.

Russian morale, already low, may drop further if such behavior is widespread and continues. If Russian troops stuck on secondary axes lose their will to fight as the Battle for Severdonetsk consumes much of the available Russian offensive combat power, Ukraine may have a chance to launch significant counteroffensives with good prospects for success

Key Takeaways

Russian forces pressed the ground assault on Severodonetsk and its environs, making limited gains.

Russian forces in Kharkiv continue to focus efforts on preventing a Ukrainian counteroffensive from reaching the international border between Kharkiv and Belgorod.

Ukrainian forces began a counteroffensive near the Kherson-Mykolaiv oblast border approximately 70 km to the northeast of Kherson City that may have crossed the Inhulets River.

Russia’s use of stored T-62 tanks in the southern axis indicates Russia’s continued materiel and force generation problems.

Ukrainian partisan activity continues to impose costs on Russian occupation forces in Kherson and Zaporizhia oblasts.

Ukrainian partisan activity continues to impose costs on Russian occupation forces in Kherson and Zaporizhia oblasts.

This is the one of many developments to pay attention to. The partisans in occupied territory can wreak alot of havoc for the Russians.

[double6's]

When the Battle of Severodonetsk ends, regardless of which side holds the city, the Russian offensive at the operational and strategic levels will likely have culminated

sounds like they think that Russia will have shot it's wad after this one..

[JimRom]

Originally Posted by ClaraC

JimRom.

This whole awful and tragic situation where cops didn't act, didn't come in through the windows, didn't somehow gain access to the classroom, appears to have been made by the School District Police Chief, who was not on site at the time he was telling them not to enter. One guy made that decision. There was enough time, it seems, that they could have overridden him by saying we're still hearing shots, kids are dying, permission to override your order? This didn't unfold in 5 minutes. It was an hour.

Additionally, one teacher (and we've all seen this done) propped a door open because she was needing to use it for something.

That's not "the government" not desiring to protect our children.

That's a perfect storm of human error.

Your "perfect storm of human error" (and I notice you didn't address the idiocy of Gun-Free Schools) by government agents resulted in the deaths of 19 children and 2 adults. If our government is capable of that much error, why should anyone trust them to keep children safe? They either don't care or are too incompetent for it to matter if they care. Maybe I'd feel differently if the government hadn't screwed up the response to multiple previous school shootings, but I'm tired of being told to trust the incompetent government to protect our children by people who feel the need to defend that incompetence by brushing it aside as "human error." It's not. It's gross incompetence.

[ChrisC]

It should be that any mass shooter vermin captured alive would be automatically hanged, drawn, and quartered the way it was done back in the sixteenth century. Very painful way to die, just like the kids, cats, and whatever else these subhumans killed went through.