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Yes, I’m not excusing US actions. Hopefully we don’t invade another country again! I was against all those wars save the Vietnam one where I was too young to be political. Too young to be drafted didn’t care!
But two wrongs don’t make a right! I criticize our actions in Afghanistan and Iraq and I will criticize Putin’s.
You cannot frame the situation in such simplistic terms. Our misdeeds around the globe has not been a United States action, nor serving the best interests of the American people, or consistent with constitutional principles. We have become the world’s globalist policy enforcer, as a globalist controlled nation, and involving ourselves in countless interventions and interferences we had no strategic interests in, nor legitimate business engaged in.
Over the past several decades we’ve wrecked havoc throughout the Middle East, destroying one country after another, from Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Syria, and propped up brutal dictatorships, using them as proxies for other military endeavors, such as Saudi Arabia and Yemen, all the while maintaining an ever present threat to anyone not bending knee to the New World Order globalists, such as Iran, which globalist war hawks have long had their war mongering eyes on.
So, it’s not like ‘Western Powers” (read globalists) don’t pose an existential threat to those not in lockstep with the globalist agenda, such as the case with Russia. Nevertheless, globalist efforts to create a globalist friendly puppet government in Ukraine, and the additional threat of actively recruiting Ukraine into the NATO ALLIANCE should be viewed from the Russian perspective which legitimately considers it a strategic threat to Russian interests, just as assuredly as we would have considered the old USSR soviet block attempting to incorporate Canada or Mexico into their military alliance in the 1960’s.
So, everyone needs to understand the underlying dynamic, rather than buy into pure Globalist propaganda. The territorial issues involving Russia and Ukraine are historical, and date back a long time, and is a matter to be dealt with by these two bordering neighbors who share a significant ethnic history, NONE OF WHICH SHOULD INVOLVE western intervention. Fact is, globalist interference is precisely the catalyst for the crisis right now, in the push toward adding Ukraine to NATO.
While so many want to call out Putin as the worlds great dictator, the pandemic has revealed the hidden nature of the globalist controlled western block including US, UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand as less than the bastions of democracy and human rights it’s long advertised itself so falsely.
Keep this in mind, when some of you begin thinking that something must be done to stop Russia from dealing with a globalist created threat on their border. Be careful what you wish for, as you may get more than you expected, including mushroom clouds popping up around the world, to add to the Covid 19 bioweapon injections which Putin didn’t sponsor either!
Not true, Ukraine had been part of Russia for centuries, way before the Soviet Union. In fact Kiev was once the capital of Russia, not Moscow. No one is afraid of Biden's consequences for doing anything especially Putin.
Nonsense
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No, Kiev was never the capital of today's Russia. It was the capital of Kievan Rus. Like saying Philadelphia is the first capital of the United States. Not really because the US wasn't formed yet.
The Ukrainian People's Republic was declared on 23 June 1917. The Ukrainian SSR was a founding member of the Soviet Union in 1922. The country regained its independence in 1991, following the dissolution of the Soviet Union.
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I’ve read that the Ukrainians are not really resisting. Is that correct?
Right now, they are trying to escape to Poland or hunkering down waiting for the Putin Thugs to go house to house.
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Joe and Hunter Biden are heavily invested in Ukraine.
Not just the Biden Family, but also Pelosi and John Kerry
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At least he waited until the Olympics was over.
Putin had. Deal with China on that. He waits and China supports or at least doesn’t condemn him
China has a .VETO on the .UN Security Council & so does Russia.
Russia is the Chair of the UN Security Council this month.
Why should Putin get to dictate what a Sovereign nation w/ Democratically elected government do? He shouldn't. He's a thuggish dictator...we should assassinate him
Anyone who criticizes what Putin is doing on grounds he is usurping a sovereign country's right to have its own democratically elected government has no idea how thoroughly and cringingly ironic such a statement is.
The entire Ukraine crisis started in 2014 because at that time, a pro-Russian politician was democratically elected to lead the Ukraine. President Viktor Yakunovych was forced out by pro-western, anti-Russian elements in February of that year, and he was replaced by a group of "leaders" who are literally nothing short of fascist in outlook and conduct.
The ouster of Yakunovych, which resulted in him fleeing to Russia, could not and would not have happened without western backing, knowledge, and approval.
Victoria Nuland was then U.S. assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian affairs. She, along with Republican Senator John McCain (one of the most warmongering politicians in the U.S. in the past 30 years, matched only by the neocons of the Bush 43 administration and Hillary Clinton herself in his thirst for war), publicly participated in local antigovernment demonstrations. Geoffrey Pratt, who was at the time the U.S. ambassador to the Ukraine, described the ouster of Yakunovych as "a day for the history books."
Later on, a phone call was leaked. Nuland had openly stated she supported regime change and preferred Arseniy Yatsenyuk to become the post-Yakunovych prime minister - and that's what happened.
Even Democratic politician Tulsi Gabbard, with whom I disagree on much but whose record of service as a U.S. military servicewoman I greatly respect, stated openly that pushing Ukraine to join NATO has played a major role in this crisis. It is shortsighted and ignorant (not you, but in general) to refuse to understand that to Russia, the Ukraine is a vital strategic region. Most of the Ukraine is geographically flat; Napoleon's France and Hitler's Germany both sent troops through it in efforts to subjugate Russia. However much we in the U.S. think Putin is a bad person, he's also a realist and he operates by realpolitik; he considers Russia's security needs as an extremely high priority. He is not unaware that his country lost 20 million men between 1941 and 1945 in an effort to fight and to defeat the armies of Nazi Germany (and that's why calling Putin "Hitler" as some in the west do is both insensitive and insulting).
Russian opposition to Ukraine joining NATO is thus predicated on two catastrophically destructive invasions of Russia, as well as the fact that former members of the Warsaw Pact today host NATO troops and material and weapons all aimed at Russia. Encircling a nuclear-armed country whose missiles can easily reach any city in the continental U.S. is not strategically prudent.
Lastly, as for democracy: the Russians living in the Donbass regions did not vote to have Ukrainian criminals murder them with sniper fire and other weapons. For years, Putin has attempted to help those Russians, trying to pressure Kiev to force the hand of Ukrainian fighters there to leave Russian residents alone. Putin's efforts yielded no fruit, and now that the Lugansk and Donetsk People's Republics were founded and Putin's Russia granted them full diplomatic recognition, Putin now had the argument he was intervening to help friendly states against hostile powers.
The western media for the most part will not inform Americans that on the Ukrainian side (not regular Ukrainian citizens but armed paramilitary fighters as well as extremists who venerate a WWII-era anti-Soviet, pro-Nazi collaborator named Stepan Bandera) have been murdering, without cause, unarmed and helpless Russian civilians in the Donbass. I would like to think that if my vote counts within a democratic system, that I would not have to fear that whomever is in power will sit by while rogue armed elements shoot at me for no reason other than to kill me for the mere sake of killing.
Putin is no Boy Scout, but then again, no one gets to be a president or prime minister by being warm and cuddly.
That's correct. China also intervened during the Korean War when we "got too close."
World powers, America included, don't want any country on their border who is "working for the adversary." Period.
China only got involved because we tried to go into China...they would have let us go up to the Korean border w/ China as they never cared about the Kims.
Russia invades a democratic nation and your concern is oil prices. Your priorities are misguided.
"Warned and didn't listen", LOL, we knew Russia was going to invade Eastern Ukraine, this is quite a step up.
Oil prices won't finance this, they have some rather large problems stop dismissing the impact on Russia and it's economy. This could easily broaden and expand, very foolish on Putin's part.
lol man you should go into comedy. do you not follow ANY history or world events?
1) putin has invaded no democratic nation
(but but but he was elected)
SO. WAS. PUTIN.
2) The last world war are started over oil, on BOTH fronts.
3) I will make it easier for you: high oil prices (read: crude oil exchanges) fund RUSSIA and ONLY Russia as they are not using it. its a cash cow. At $40/bbl and above they are in the green. When we were exporters, we kept money, hard us dollar currency out of their pockets. THATS. HOW. IT. WORKS.!!!!!!! In jan 2021 Biden and Biden alone, reversed that.
4) in 2017 trump and his 'cabinet' told us with no ambiguity that intelligence showed Putin would amass on the donbass et al borders and declare relations with the backed rebels as a pretext to invade all of ukraine.
that was 5 years ago. How did YOU respond? Your posts are there to read... "Trump! Russia! Stormy Daniels! Impeach!"
I dont mean to be mean, but you literally demonstrate you are not paying attention to world events and markets. Go back to 'reality TV' and keep us informed on Lisa
LOL. Russia has 22,710 tanks (the most in the world) to Ukraine 3,800. I don't trust the U.S. media or anything from Ukraine.
LOL, so what. Just wait till the guerilla war starts.
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