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When the dust settles, how do you think you would feel about Russia? Do you think you would be still be neutral? Do you think you'd entertain Russia's motives with ReaPolitik logic of NATO expansionism? Or do you think you'd hate Russia from here on out?
I don't think Russians on this board truly appreciate the historical significance of this invasion. Win or lose, Russians lost the hearts of Ukrainians forever. You're even shelling Kharkiv, which used to be a Russian friendly city.
NO different from the countries that fought in wars or even our wars and sanctions.
I'm sure a lot of Mexicans hated Americans after the Mexican war. We bombed the cr@p out of Germany and Japan and added 2 A bombs on top of that. We killed Koreans and Vietnamese, Iraqis and Afghanistan people and other countries. We overthrew governments and installed bad ones from Iran to Chile, Guatemala and so on.
If We are fine with our history of wars and regime changes then Russians will be fine after this.
If Japan can move on after WW 2 and 2 A bombs, I think Ukraine will move on decades later.
NO different from the countries that fought in wars or even our wars and sanctions.
I'm sure a lot of Mexicans hated Americans after the Mexican war. We bombed the cr@p out of Germany and Japan and added 2 A bombs on top of that. We killed Koreans and Vietnamese, Iraqis and Afghanistan and other countries. We overthrew governments and installed bad ones from Iran to Chile, Guatemala and so on.
If We are fine with our history of wars and regime changes then Russians will be fine after this.
If Japan can move on after WW 2 and 2 A bombs, I think Ukraine will move on decades later.
Russia will lose its association with this war when Mississippi is no longer associated with slavery.
Ukraine will, indeed move on. But Russia, I am afraid, will not. With a sharply declining population and now an economy that has been set back years, Russia does not have decades ahead of itself.
All the countries you listed - at least the major ones - had burgeoning populations in a world where all populations and all economies were growing. Growth will no longer be the world norm from now on.
After this war, Ukraine will get a jump-start from the rest of the western world. Russia will get the finger.
Russia has lost 1M people in the past year due to population decline. Demographers point to a population cut in half in the next 75 years. And then half again the next 75. So, we're talking 70M people in 2100 and 35M in 2175.
I think Russia is done.
NO different from the countries that fought in wars or even our wars and sanctions.
I'm sure a lot of Mexicans hated Americans after the Mexican war. We bombed the cr@p out of Germany and Japan and added 2 A bombs on top of that. We killed Koreans and Vietnamese, Iraqis and Afghanistan people and other countries. We overthrew governments and installed bad ones from Iran to Chile, Guatemala and so on.
If We are fine with our history of wars and regime changes then Russians will be fine after this.
If Japan can move on after WW 2 and 2 A bombs, I think Ukraine will move on decades later.
You have no understanding of the Russian position on Ukraine which basically goes something to the tune of: Russians and Ukrainians are one people. This is what Russians feel, Ukrainians (prior to 2014) less so - now, almost universally against.
It was this belief in shared blood/ethnicity whatever, that was so painful for Russia to see Ukraine keep wanting to drift into NATO's orbit. Maybe only one country is culturally as close to the Russian's as Ukraine and that is Belarussia.
Mexicans and Americans were never one people, so America had nothing to lose by taking that chunk of Mexico away. Also, Mexico was by itself on one continent with American while Ukraine is sandwiched between two powers and can make a choice, and keep making a choice to be a thorn in Russia's side.
"Rommel in victorious retreat", as a censored European headline once put it. When Russia has to ask Belarus for assistance - and Lukashenko, of all people, says that he'd love to, but he has to wash his hair that evening, well..
"Lukashenko has to tread a careful line between his dependence on Russia and his own survival instincts."
Actually that will be between the Nato nation's and Russia.
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