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Old 03-22-2022, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Western PA
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Originally Posted by CtrlEsc View Post
Ok, educate me. Provide me with references.

uh uh, if we had to live all 692 pages....so do you.

 
Old 03-22-2022, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Remarkable @BBCNews report: farmers in Vosnesensk ambushed Russian forces as they approached the small community, halting their advance by blowing up the bridge, destroying all Russian tanks vehicles w/ help from U.K. NLAW anti-tank weapons, inflicting heavy Russian losses & full retreat

(Video in tweet)
https://twitter.com/KremlinTrolls/st...04268441485322
 
Old 03-22-2022, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee, WI
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Remarkable @BBCNews report: farmers in Vosnesensk ambushed Russian forces as they approached the small community, halting their advance by blowing up the bridge, destroying all Russian tanks vehicles w/ help from U.K. NLAW anti-tank weapons, inflicting heavy Russian losses & full retreat

(Video in tweet)
https://twitter.com/KremlinTrolls/st...04268441485322
Probably a total fake, as many others. Farmers don't have stuff to blow bridges. Russian tanks don't rely on existing bridges as they can cross rivers under the water or special engineer troups make temporary bridges within minutes.


PS (after watching it)... I see,
a) some guys doing something and running around

b) a bridge that was blown by someone at some point (whether it was blown by the same people or not, whether it was blown with tanks on it, or approaching it, is unclear)

c) one blown up tank (whether it was blown up by the same guys, or even in the same place is unclear... It could be even Ukrainian tank, you know, I don't have experience to tell the difference.
But one tank in the grand scheme of things is not great losses).

d) lots of people giving some narrative (talk is cheap, you know)

Last edited by brrabbit; 03-22-2022 at 08:45 PM..
 
Old 03-22-2022, 08:39 PM
 
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Intercepted Russian invaders' phone call.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-FE1M1PeRg
 
Old 03-22-2022, 08:44 PM
 
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If you had any integrity you'd refrain from posting until Mariupol actually fell, since you falsely claimed three days ago now that it "has fell".

We are not egging this on, if anything we are resisting Ukraine's calls to do more.
Except I cited an article directly from Ukrainian military saying that “there was no military solution to Mariupol”. Your right I was premature to say it “had fell”, but it’s really only a formality at this point with over 50% of the city in Russian control and Azov retreating to a nearby steel plant.
 
Old 03-22-2022, 08:45 PM
 
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No. The two reporters absolutely report what they could verify within Mariupol. Other AP releases cite Ukrainian sources as do virtually all other news outlets. No international independent reporter is left in Mariupol. So instead we can get Youtube videos saying whatever they want us to believe. And here I do not doubt that Mariupol residents include some number who prefer to be closely aligned to Russia. The city, that Azov successfully defended in 2014, lies only a few kilometers from the Separatist zone.

Look carefully at the location and date of a Youtube report. Anything that comes from Mariupol itself would be suspect. Per the reporters and the extraordinary lengths they had to go to get internet access, video distribution would almost have to be facilitated at this point by 'an interested party.'
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Was bombing of Mariupol theater staged by Ukrainian Azov extremists to trigger NATO intervention?

Testimony by evacuated Mariupol residents and warnings of a false flag attack undermine the Ukrainian government’s claims about a Russian bombing of a local theater sheltering civilians.

Western media have reported that Russia’s military deliberately attacked the Donetsk Academic Regional Drama theater in Mariupol, Ukraine, claiming that it was filled with civilians and marked with signs reading “children” on its grounds.

The supposed bombing took place just as Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky appealed to US Congress for a no fly zone, fueling the chorus for direct military confrontation with Russia and apparently inspiring President Joseph Biden to brand Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, as a “war criminal.”

A closer look reveals that local residents in Mariupol had warned three days before the March 16 incident that the theater would be the site of a false flag attack launched by the openly neo-Nazi Azov Battalion, which controlled the building and the territory around it.

Civilians that escaped the city through humanitarian corridors have testified that they were held by Azov as human shields in area, and that Azov fighters detonated parts of the theater as they retreated. Despite claims of a massive Russian airstrike that reduced the building to ashes, all civilians appear to have escaped with their lives.

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Azov, on the other hand, stood to benefit from a dramatic and grisly attack blamed on Russia. In full retreat all around Mariupol and facing the possibility of brutal treatment at the hands of a Russian military hellbent on “de-Nazification,” its fighters’ only hope seemed to lie in triggering direct NATO intervention.

The same sense of desperation informed Zelensky’s carefully scripted address to Congress, in which he invoked Martin Luther King Jr.’s “I Have A Dream” speech and played a heavily produced video depicting civilian suffering to make the case for a no fly zone.

By instigating Western public outrage over grisly Russian war crimes, Ukraine’s government is clearly aiming to generate enough pressure to overcome the Biden administration’s reluctance to directly confront Russia’s military.

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With the Nazi-inspired Wolfsangel symbol emblazoned on their uniforms and flags, Azov fighters make no secret of their ideological goals. Despite having been identified by the FBI, US Congress, and its own fighters as a neo-Nazi unit, and implicated in an array of sordid human rights violations, Azov has collaborated openly with US and Canadian military trainers.

Having accused Azov of seeking to exterminate the ethnic Russians of Donbas, Putin has marked its base in Mariupol as the front line of his stated campaign to “de-Nazify” Ukraine. Since Russia’s February 24 invasion of Ukraine, the city become the site of ferocious urban fighting, with Russian special forces and Donetsk People’s Republic People’s Militia forces waging a block-by-block fight for control as artillery rained down on Azov positions.
https://thegrayzone.com/2022/03/18/b...-intervention/
 
Old 03-22-2022, 08:49 PM
 
Location: South Bay Native
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Can you stop it with the moronic blog citations? Don't you want people to take your posts seriously?

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The Grayzone is a left-wing[2] to far-left[9] news website and blog[13] founded and edited by American journalist Max Blumenthal.[10] The website, initially founded as The Grayzone Project,[14] was affiliated with AlterNet before becoming independent in early 2018.[3] The website's news content is generally considered to be fringe[3][15][16][17] and it is known for its sympathetic coverage of authoritarian regimes[3][11][18] and its denial of the Uyghur genocide.[22]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grayzone
 
Old 03-22-2022, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee, WI
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Can you stop it with the moronic blog citations? Don't you want people to take your posts seriously?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grayzone
Actually a report of this plot was reported by many Russian sources about 2 days before it happened. Makes no sense to report a strike before it is taken... No?
 
Old 03-22-2022, 08:59 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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NATO declined to send a peacekeeping force into Ukraine when Zelensky asked.
Poland plans to present a very emotional and formal plea to NATO tomorrow about a peacekeeping force in Ukraine to save the women and children.

You may get your WWIII if NATO says yes.


https://ussanews.com/poland-will-for...this-thursday/
 
Old 03-22-2022, 08:59 PM
 
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Except I cited an article directly from Ukrainian military saying that “there was no military solution to Mariupol”. Your right I was premature to say it “had fell”, but it’s really only a formality at this point with over 50% of the city in Russian control and Azov retreating to a nearby steel plant.

What stood out to me was you declared it a done deal but the references you tried to pawn off as supporting that actually said it was close but not done. But that one small city will likely be Russia's last gains. That Russia will lose this war is a formality at this point.
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