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Old 05-21-2008, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I tried to buy a hybrid prius few years back- there was a waiting list 9 mos long. Hybrid highlanders from toyota were 16 mos wait. The demand is definately out there, but the supply, and the advances aren't happening.
No wait of any kind here for a hybrid - of any make.
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Old 05-21-2008, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Air conditioning in homes has been standard for quite some time now, I know that homes back to the early 1970's pretty much had central air conditioning as standard equipment.
Very true. My parent's house was built in 1964 and it came with central heating and a/c. And even an intercom system.
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Old 05-22-2008, 04:56 AM
 
Location: Cold Frozen North
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Air conditioning in homes has been standard for quite some time now, I know that homes back to the early 1970's pretty much had central air conditioning as standard equipment.

I have no desire to live in the heat or dark, and I favor technological solutions to the issue, vs discomfort. Regarding fuel economy in vehicles, we are going to get to the higher mileage very soon, primarily via the hybrid vehicles.

Meanwhile, the vehicle manufacturers are bringing out Dodge Challengers, Chevy Camaros and Pontiac G-8s, all with high performance engines and mediocre gas mileage. The car magazines, Motor Trend, Car and Driver and Road and Track, still clamor for more power, not mileage.
That's because horsepower is fun to talk about, mileage isn't. There is some degree of mutual exclusiveness between mileage and horsepower. My 2002 Trans Am gets 24 mpg on the highway. I consider that very good mileage.

I've had so many muscle cars over the years that have given a great deal of happiness and hours and hours of fun cruising around. I'm looking forward to the new Camaro and will likely buy one. After all, if rich folks can have their Ferraris and Lambos, why can't a middle class guy have his American muscle car.
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Old 05-22-2008, 08:19 AM
 
Location: PA
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So what your saying is Governmet should monitor what people use and this way we can curb people and control their habits on everything. From food, to clothing to sleeping to what light bulbs they use what car they drive and most importantly how they think.
Energy and Freedom are the only thing that has allowed this country to function. Now if you want to limit individual freedom, and free market energy I question what kinda American you are. That being said altervative Energy is not a free market adventure it is pushed with the delusion that you need it for cleaner air and global warming. This is nothing more then taking corn and other items and over pricing them to make a sale for the people who want to be Green. When in fact most of these bio fuels are not safe for the environment but worse. While that is going on the price of food goes up and oil because a few liberals want to feel good. This problem with prices of OIL is all about OPEC and the war and nothing more. If it wasnt for these Green people we would not be depending on foreign oil right now was well and would have been drilling. We also would have expanded our electrical infustructure and had more nuclear power but the liberals also killed that. So the sooner this war ends so will the price of OIL rising and will lower back down to $20 per barrel. This is another example of how WAR is costly in lives, blood and energy. Most importantly this WAR is not depending the constitution it's nation building. So when the war ends so will the Energy crisis over and gas will be $1.20 again. So in short most of the United States but not all are because of liberalism and nothing more. Liberalism is the example to many of Americas downfalls. PS Bush and neo-cons are liberals and follow liberalism idealogys. Most of the congress Republicans and Democrats are also liberals and socialist.
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Old 05-22-2008, 11:26 AM
 
Location: um....guess
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So what your saying is Governmet should monitor what people use and this way we can curb people and control their habits on everything. From food, to clothing to sleeping to what light bulbs they use what car they drive and most importantly how they think.
Energy and Freedom are the only thing that has allowed this country to function. Now if you want to limit individual freedom, and free market energy I question what kinda American you are. That being said altervative Energy is not a free market adventure it is pushed with the delusion that you need it for cleaner air and global warming. This is nothing more then taking corn and other items and over pricing them to make a sale for the people who want to be Green. When in fact most of these bio fuels are not safe for the environment but worse. While that is going on the price of food goes up and oil because a few liberals want to feel good. This problem with prices of OIL is all about OPEC and the war and nothing more. If it wasnt for these Green people we would not be depending on foreign oil right now was well and would have been drilling. We also would have expanded our electrical infustructure and had more nuclear power but the liberals also killed that. So the sooner this war ends so will the price of OIL rising and will lower back down to $20 per barrel. This is another example of how WAR is costly in lives, blood and energy. Most importantly this WAR is not depending the constitution it's nation building. So when the war ends so will the Energy crisis over and gas will be $1.20 again. So in short most of the United States but not all are because of liberalism and nothing more. Liberalism is the example to many of Americas downfalls. PS Bush and neo-cons are liberals and follow liberalism idealogys. Most of the congress Republicans and Democrats are also liberals and socialist.
I'm sorry, but your post really doesn't make too much sense. You're blaming liberals for everything, but than contradict yourself to mention that ending this war will bring down the cost of oil. Hello, McFly!!! Democrats are the ones pushing to bring an end to the war....according to your logic, wouldn't it be the democrats who would then be bringing down the cost of oil?
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Old 05-22-2008, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Oak Park, IL
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American's haven't conserved energy because until recently energy was very cheap. Not surprisingly when energy is expensive, its very easy to become a die-hard conservationist.
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Old 05-22-2008, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Lakes & Mountains of East TN
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I think that we should use whatever cars, air conditioning, lights, that we need, want, and can pay for.

Who is going to tell me I have to shove my 6-person family in a prius because I'm required to get better gas mileage?

Or what if I like to drive my mini-van even though there's only two of us in there?

Or if I have the flu and want the heat up to 80? Or it's 90 outside and I turn on the AC?

Or it makes me feel better to keep my porch light on so anyone approaching my house is illuminated?

Whose business is it if I'm paying for it, even if it's "unnecessary" or "wasteful" in the eyes of others? Maybe it's necessary to me.

Naturally, the price might go up and the NATURAL MARKET will adjust itself. If gas gets too expensive maybe people's priorities will change, and they will look into smaller more economical cars, and sales of larger cars will decline. If oil is too pricey maybe people will switch to wood heat (like I did). Maybe they'll be more selective in using their a/c.

But regulation is not the answer. We are not robots. We're free Americans.

There are companies that will benefit greatly from finding us alternative sources of energy, but until then I'm not freezing, sweating, living in the dark, or riding a mule to work, as long as I can afford to be comfortable.
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Old 05-22-2008, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Systemically increasing our energy efficiency and decreasing use will never happen because energy not consumed is profit not made. We all know that profit for the privileged is the most important thing in our society. We need to use more energy at more expense lest out energy companies collapse and corporate stock speculators loose money. We must support and subsidize the privileged or they would just be like everyone else and maybe to leave the Lambo at home and take the bus. That would be devastating and completely unacceptable to our pampered privileged.

How could anyone be so unpatriotic as to oppose the continuous concentration of wealth, power and prestige into a smaller and smaller group of have mores until just a few have it all.
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Old 05-22-2008, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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How could anyone be so unpatriotic as to oppose the continuous concentration of wealth, power and prestige into a smaller and smaller group of have mores until just a few have it all.
Oh please!

Do you have any retirement type accounts - a 401K perhaps?

For, if you do, you are benefiting from the ungodly profits you so much demean!
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Old 05-22-2008, 12:05 PM
 
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I thnik only a sucessful end to the war and stability in the region will stagilise oil prices. If we leave then I look for more civil war type conflict and therefore higher oil prices. Even now any sign of conflict sends oil rising.In the end only conservation will keep peoples bills down. The expansion of oil use in countries like china and india will keep them high and going higher.In this global expansion we are not the controllers of our own destiny it seems.
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