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Old 05-07-2022, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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Originally Posted by Sprawling_Homeowner View Post
On the contrary, it is FACT - the state level is where abortions laws were until Roe v. Wade.

It's not what I don't like, it's what a lot of very shrill people on the left do, and it's not irrelevant. Doxxing the home addresses of the conservative Justices was done to intimidate them.

Thuggery at its finest, just like the threats given to jurors in trials such as that of Derek Chauvin and of the McMichaels.
Yes. The abortion issue was left to the states before the Roe decision. I remember what it was like for women then. It was not pretty.

Below quote is what I objected to in your post. I said there is no "must be." It is a legal opinion as to whether abortion is for the Supreme Court to decide vs a state issue. They have not decided that yet.

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But an overturning as per Justice Alito's draft would simply send the issue back to the state level, where it was until 1973 and where it must be as per the Constitution.
I agree, the doxing of the justices was wrong. Leaking of a draft document from the Supreme Court was also wrong.

I don't know why you would mention murder trials in this thread.

Last edited by ansible90; 05-07-2022 at 09:47 AM..

 
Old 05-07-2022, 10:13 AM
 
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No, it's considered medically necessary. An abortion for the sake of a woman's convenience isn't medically necessary, it's elective, like cosmetic surgery.

Poll respondents themselves placed different approval levels on which reasons for abortion they support keeping legal. An abortion for the sake of a woman's convenience doesn't get much support, less than half would support keeping that legal.
Is this the poll you're talking about:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/supr...l_twitter_abcn

And is this the quote you're talking about ?:

The public divides on another circumstance: When the woman cannot afford to have a child, 48% say abortion should be legal, 45% illegal. Support for legal abortion in this case is its highest in six polls dating back to 1996.
 
Old 05-07-2022, 10:16 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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That precedent regarding states’ rights was rendered moot by the American Civil War when the Slaver states perceived it was their right to own people as property.
Quite apparently not as widely varying restrictions placed on 2nd Amendment Rights still exist under current law.
 
Old 05-07-2022, 10:22 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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WHAT do some of you not grasp that if 2nd Amendment Rights can be restricted by state laws, so can any perceived right to abortion?
 
Old 05-07-2022, 10:26 AM
 
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None of your links claim that the fetus is a parasite. In order for it to be a parasite it would have to be different species. I don’t think you understand what you’re reading.
I don't think YOU understand. A parasite does not have to be a different species. I gave you the medical and science on this. You chose to deny it. You, instead, went to a dictionary.
 
Old 05-07-2022, 10:29 AM
 
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I don't think YOU understand. A parasite does not have to be a different species. I gave you the medical and science on this. You chose to deny it. You, instead, went to a dictionary.
By definition, it absolutely does. Your links don’t say what you think they say.
 
Old 05-07-2022, 10:30 AM
 
Location: The Piedmont of North Carolina
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Default Bill Maher: Arguing Roe Is ‘Settled Law’ Is Nonsense, Plessy Was Settled Law

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022...s-settled-law/

My only critique with his statement is that Roe V Wade is not a "law". Other than that, he is 100% correct.

It is nice to see a rational liberal.

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On Friday’s broadcast of HBO’s “Real Time,” host Bill Maher said that arguments that Roe v. Wade is “settled law” are nonsense and pointed out that “Plessy v. Ferguson was settled law in 1896 and thank God somebody said, let’s unsettle it.” He also pushed back against arguments that overturning Roe will lead to the overturning of other precedents like marriage because “abortion is unique” and it would make sense why someone who thinks abortion is murder doesn’t think there’s a right to one.
 
Old 05-07-2022, 10:38 AM
 
Location: *
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Quite apparently not as widely varying restrictions placed on 2nd Amendment Rights still exist under current law.
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WHAT do some of you not grasp that if 2nd Amendment Rights can be restricted by state laws, so can any perceived right to abortion?
Reality trumps your assertions as each state has enacted legislation regarding gun laws.

The Civil Rights Acts of the 50s & 60s are analogous to the current scenario. For over a century, each state enacted legislation based on the states’ rights canard.

Libertaryans in the present day still oppose some of the individual rights protections of the Civil Rights Acts of the 50s & 60s.
 
Old 05-07-2022, 10:45 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Yes. The abortion issue was left to the states before the Roe decision. I remember what it was like for women then. It was not pretty.

Below quote is what I objected to in your post. I said there is no "must be." It is a legal opinion as to whether abortion is for the Supreme Court to decide vs a state issue. They have not decided that yet.



I agree, the doxing of the justices was wrong. Leaking of a draft document from the Supreme Court was also wrong.

I don't know why you would mention murder trials in this thread.
It was. Roe v Wade was never intended to be a means of birth control for woman due to future inconvenience which the overwhelming majority of abortions are. When mass amounts of people abuse the situation regulations are set in place to curb that.
 
Old 05-07-2022, 10:48 AM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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By definition, it absolutely does. Your links don’t say what you think they say.
Maybe calling the unborn children parasites and non human is a racism thing, since the majority of pregnant women in this country are non whites. I wonder if that poster walks up to pregnant black women and tells them their unborn child is nothing but a parasite or that it isn't human?
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