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Half of all abortions are now medical (pill). The ruling will just increase that and there is no way Republicans will be able to do anything meaningful about it.
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Originally Posted by ansible90
Exactly. Should a woman who happens to live in Texas, who finds herself pregnant and cannot afford even one more kid, be forced to drive all night to get a couple of abortion pills? Just because she missed an unreasonable 6 week deadline? This is what these new laws are doing to women.
This is real. It is happening.
Louisiana is trying to pass a law to make abortion a homicide, from day of conception. Do you agree with that?
There is no Planned Parenthood in TX, or other health centers, or in the surrounding states?
I seriously doubt she made that very long distance trek, almost 24 hours one way, with her kids along too, in such a short time. Long haul truckers can probably do it in two days, but not 1 day or 1 1/2 days. Truckers are used to flying down the interstates and they typically don't have young kids along that need to pee and eat. And to go fast enough to drastically shorten the trip so that she could go to work that day? Sorry but it sounds like she was telling a tale to get her 15 minutes. Smells like a Smollett.
Half of all abortions are now medical (pill). The ruling will just increase that and there is no way Republicans will be able to do anything meaningful about it.
Women have to be able to get those pills. I do not believe they are over the counter.
Women have to be able to get those pills. I do not believe they are over the counter.
They aren't. They require a prescription. No doc can prescribe that in TX at six weeks right now. Other states are drafting legislation outlawing this medication. The lynch mob in the red states is out in full force. Even purple states w/GOP legislatures are riding this train.
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Part of the issue with abortion pills is you have to take the first one in the presence of a medical practitioner - eliminating the possibility that someone has bought them intending to slip them to another pregnant person against their knowledge and will.
So mailing them isn't an option. They have to be consumed by the woman who intends to use them. So she will have to show up to whatever location will sell her the pills.
Women have to be able to get those pills. I do not believe they are over the counter.
“In December 2011, the FDA approved the over-the-counter sale of Plan B One-Step for all women of child-bearing age. Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius disagreed with the FDA's decision and Plan B One-Step remains available for all ages, but still requires a prescription for women under the age of 17.”
In all 50 states, they are available over the counter to women 17 and older. Nine states have determined that a pharmacist can prescribe them to younger females.
So, you don't believe a human being has the right to control what happens to their body, especially if a parasitic fetus (look it up, scientifically it IS parasitic!) is involved?
According to the Oxford Dictionary a parasite an organism that lives in or on an organism of another species (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the other's expense.
So no, a baby isn't a parasite.
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Originally Posted by normstad
Would you support government mandating all males after puberty getting vasectomies (after all, they are reversible)? That would prevent all abortions in the future. I mean, if the government can determine what happens to a woman's body, why not what happens to a man's? Right?
The government's interest is not the woman, but the rights of the unborn baby. I am not sure why people keep pretending that the unborn baby is not a life.
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Originally Posted by WRM20
Half of your generation? That's hilarious. It wasn't anywhere near that high.
Half might be an exaggeration, but not by too much. With over 63,000,000 abortions since the Roe ruling, it is a huge chunk of the population.
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Originally Posted by WRM20
No it does not cause the death of a human life. It causes the death of a parasitic group of cells that cannot survive outside the uterus, at least until viability. It's also none of your business whether a woman chooses to end a pregnancy.
It is the business of society to protect its weakest, most vulnerable members, of which, an unborn baby is one. At every stage, after conception, that is a new life growing in a woman and that is an undeniable scientific fact. Why won't you follow the science?
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Originally Posted by WRM20
Not the same at all. There is a huge difference between a person who was born and the parasitic clump of cells that is a non-viable fetus. If the fetus causes the death of the mother and survives, should the fetus be executed for murder?
Genetically speaking that nascent life is the same at conception, at birth, and during its life.
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Originally Posted by WRM20
If being pregnant isn't a medical condition, why are doctors involved?
The involvement of doctors in birth is a relatively new development and very much a Western concept. Millions of babies are born every year with zero involvement from a licensed medical doctor.
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Originally Posted by WRM20
Privacy is a right implied by the 9th Amendment that specifically states not all rights are listed in the document.
Privacy is no such thing. Here is what Justice Goldberg said in his concurring opinion in Griswold, "and I do not mean to imply that the Ninth Amendment is applied against the States by the Fourteenth. Nor do I mean to state that the Ninth Amendment constitutes an independent source of rights protected from infringement by either the States or the Federal Government"
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Originally Posted by ohioaninsc
No where close to half of an entire generation's fetuses were aborted...and it's not murder...a fetus cannot survive outside of the womb so it's not a person yet.
An infant cannot survive without assistance. Is it not a person? Someone in a coma cannot survive without assistance. Are they not a person?
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(Fun fact: although all the talking heads are saying a decision of the Supreme court has never been leaked before, before being officially released, that's not true. The original Roe V Wade decision was also leaked).
Not quite accurate. What people are saying (or should be) is that a draft opinion of the majority decision has never been leaked before. What happened in the original Roe case is that a clerk told a reporter of the final vote tally with a promise to not write about it until the official release. The official release was delayed, but the reporter had already reported on it thinking he was after the official release.
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Originally Posted by ClaraC
This was a draft, created in February, and apparently there have been MANY revisions of this draft since, and before being leaked last week. So this draft, which has since been revised, has sat somewhere for a month and a half before being leaked.
It was given to Leftist organizations and the DNC awhile back in order to give them time to plan a response.
There has to be one consistent right for all. It’s either my body my choice for everything or my body government’s choice. That goes for abortion , vaccines , etc
The situations aren't really comparable. A pandemic affects everyone, while a pregnancy affects only the mother. One pregnant woman will not impregnate another. Whereas, one CV positive person can infect many, possibly causing severe illness/long Covid, death to some. While overall the vaccines have been enormously effective in saving lives and preventing serious illness, there are also real-world, some lethal and/or permanently life-altering, negative side-effects for many. Because of this, mandates are hard to swallow, but the reasoning behind the mandate does have more foundation than the whole world sticking its nose into the private business of one person whose behavior has zero effect on the general population. Vaccine mandate in certain businesses, unfortunately, is a necessary albeit not desirable precaution.
“In December 2011, the FDA approved the over-the-counter sale of Plan B One-Step for all women of child-bearing age. Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius disagreed with the FDA's decision and Plan B One-Step remains available for all ages, but still requires a prescription for women under the age of 17.”
In all 50 states, they are available over the counter to women 17 and older. Nine states have determined that a pharmacist can prescribe them to younger females.
And states are already drafting new law that will ban the morning after pill.
BTW the morning after pill is not the same thing used for a medical abortion.
Next on the list along with same sex marriages. Many of the anti-abortion zealots consider birth control medicines to be abortifacients. Of course, banning birth control pills is going to wreak havoc on women who take them to regulate menstrual cycles. And on women who have been advised not to get pregnant due to a medical condition. And women who don't want to have a child right now.
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