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Americans have always done construction work and would do so again for a fair wage. Americans have always done roofing in hot weather. Who do you think were doing those jobs before millions of cheap illegals flooded our border? Do you like the rich getting richer off of cheap, illegal labor and putting Americans out of work?
Really?
A NY Times editorial, Build a New Hudson River Tunnel from August 17, 2015 discusses the need for a new rail tunnel to protect against what Senator Chuck Schumer calls "“a regional transportation Armageddon.” As the editorial describes it "(t)he first step would be a meeting of all parties that would benefit from the project, including representatives from Amtrak, New Jersey Transit, the states of New Jersey and New York, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, the federal government and Congress. Each of these institutions will have to participate, and each will eventually 'write a check.'" There is a sorely missing group of parties here the construction unions, the governmental officials in charge of "poverty" programs and "community organizers.
While Tappan Zee litigation continues relating to "the wage difference between carpenters and dock builders" where "(c)arpenters are paid $70.11 per hour, compared with dock builders that make $92.47 per hour" no consideration is given to a "workfare" program where benefits recipients would apprentice and be paid, say, $22 an hour to learn a trade and $40-$45 per our when working at these trades. The cost numbers of $20 billion to build these tunnels and related train station improvements is eye-popping and ultimately unfeasible. No matter how badly needed nothing is going to get built at those figures.
There are other projects just as urgently needed. New York needs at least one more water tunnel, so the existing three water tunnels can be shut down seriatim and rebuilt. Again labor costs are prohibitive. Other gold-plating on these projects needs to be removed, but all must participate. These projects must happen and the costs must be made bearable. While the Tappan Zee Bridge construction was ultimately completed, it took forever and was expensive enough to deter other projects.
Unless Americans are willing to work competitive wages, we must have outsiders. Either openly or on the sly.
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Originally Posted by Bentonite
An interesting post, thanks. But this thread is about is about illegal migration, not legal immigration.
The problem of course is that legal immigration is almost a practical impossibility.
Redefine what is "illegal". Start acknowledging that people are needed to grow the economy, especially now. We all know unemployment is at historic low levels, and the type of jobs most immigrants from the southern and central America do are eschewed by American citizens, even during the Great Recession.
As I stated, there is no magic bullet, but a serious re-evaluation needs to be done. Consider, from your perspective, how much use is it to spend CBP resources on sussing out an undocumented person who has been in the USA for 15 or more years? We all know that person has been a net contributor to the economy, their children are American, they are not criminals, and under most circumstances would be one that any economy would welcome.
Imagine those resources being refocused on real problems at the borders? Hard drugs, other smuggling and better and more effective screening of those that appear at your station.
Maybe you should check out our immigration laws as to what is legal or illegal.
Stop calling illegal aliens "undocumented immigrants" it shows your bias and dishonesty right there! It doesn't even matter if "some" illegals have been net contributors they are here in violation of our immigration laws. What part of that don't you get? A bank robber may spend some or all of his ill gotten booty in our economy but so what? Does he get to keep the money if he is caught? No, he pays the consequences for breaking the law! Most illegals are not net contributors anyway as they cost us over $100 billion a year (remain in denial over this all you want).
These anchors are only deemed citizens via a PC policy not through the wording and meaning of the birthright citizenship clause. They have been taught their native culture and language by their parents. The whole family should go back where they belong. These kids are already deemed citizens of the country that their parent's were born in.
How have those who have been here 15 years or so been able to work without using a fake or stolen SS number? That's a felony! Or workiing for cash evading income taxes? Don't come back using the ITIN excuse either as most illegals do not go to that trouble and it has limits anyway.
We need to focus our effort on the border to all of the problems there and that includes stopping these illegals from getting into our country where they are raping our country financially.
Sorry, but this isn't a straight answer. Let me phrase it again: do you condone illegal migration? Which means, do you condone people entering and staying the United States without legal permission, thereby breaking U.S. laws and committing criminal offenses?
Please, don't give a "this is a gray area" response. I'm not asking if you agree with present U.S. immigration laws. I'm asking if you condone breaking those laws. Just a simple "yes" or "no" will suffice.
What does the actual Amendment say? What has SCOTUS said about it? That is what matters.
SCOTUS has never ruled on a case involving the offspring of illegal alien parents and it's time that they did. The wording in the 14th Amendment is quite clear that they are not birthright citizens.
I have provided the citation in here many times but I will provide it once again. As long as you have been in this forum you shoud have seen it numerous times. Common sense alone should tell you that when you have millions of illegals flooding our border that they are going to be a tax burden not a tax benefit to regular Americans who have to foot the bill for their social costs especially when their wages are low and they have numerous dependants.
No such thing as an undocumented immigrant they are illegal aliens! Construction had never been low paying it used to pay double what it does now since millions of illegal aliens have flooded that industry working for less.
Quit saying things that YOU can't back up! When are you leaving for Mexico to be among the people you love so much and leave this country of the people you hate so much? I can't wait!
In the name of full disclosure, the Federation for American Immigration Reform ((the organization referenced above) is classified by The Southern Poverty Law Center as a hate group with close ties to white supremacist groups.(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federa...gration_Reform)
Shocking that you would be using this a valid reference to support your views.
Record low unemployment currently in the USA. The economy NEEDS people. That is a fact, and all anti-immigrant nonsense won't change that.
Just what are these jobs begging for help? Burger joints, gas stations, toilet bowl cleaners, etc.? How does any illegal alien survive on those wages without becoming a tax burden to our country? A lot of these jobs should just fold up and die. We don't need a burger joint on every corner that doesn't pay a liveable wage except for our American youth looking to start out in the world or Americans looking to supplement their incomes.
If we actually need immigrants for "skilled" jobs we will create more visas for them. Wanting immigration to be legal and limited for those who won't be a tax burdern to our country and repelling illegal immigration does not make one anti-immigrant!!!
A NY Times editorial, Build a New Hudson River Tunnel from August 17, 2015 discusses the need for a new rail tunnel to protect against what Senator Chuck Schumer calls "“a regional transportation Armageddon.” As the editorial describes it "(t)he first step would be a meeting of all parties that would benefit from the project, including representatives from Amtrak, New Jersey Transit, the states of New Jersey and New York, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, the federal government and Congress. Each of these institutions will have to participate, and each will eventually 'write a check.'" There is a sorely missing group of parties here the construction unions, the governmental officials in charge of "poverty" programs and "community organizers.
While Tappan Zee litigation continues relating to "the wage difference between carpenters and dock builders" where "(c)arpenters are paid $70.11 per hour, compared with dock builders that make $92.47 per hour" no consideration is given to a "workfare" program where benefits recipients would apprentice and be paid, say, $22 an hour to learn a trade and $40-$45 per our when working at these trades. The cost numbers of $20 billion to build these tunnels and related train station improvements is eye-popping and ultimately unfeasible. No matter how badly needed nothing is going to get built at those figures.
There are other projects just as urgently needed. New York needs at least one more water tunnel, so the existing three water tunnels can be shut down seriatim and rebuilt. Again labor costs are prohibitive. Other gold-plating on these projects needs to be removed, but all must participate. These projects must happen and the costs must be made bearable. While the Tappan Zee Bridge construction was ultimately completed, it took forever and was expensive enough to deter other projects.
Unless Americans are willing to work competitive wages, we must have outsiders. Either openly or on the sly.
The problem of course is that legal immigration is almost a practical impossibility.
Legal immigration for skilled workers is not an impossibility. WTH are you talking about? The topic is illegal immigration and most of them are unskilled, poor, and uneducated and we don't need them. Stop making stupid comparisons!
Sorry, but I don't understand what you mean. Could you be more specific, please?
There are far more immigrants who wish to come to the US than there are spots available to legally accommodate them. Basically, if you don’t have existing family in the US or you don’t have exceptional job skills, there are only 55,000 spots allocated via a Diversity Lottery to get a Visa. 13 million people applied for this 55,000 spots in 2020.
In short, poor, uneducated immigrants without family in the US have virtually no chance of getting in legally.
He knows nobody supports illegal immigration. That’s why he intentionally mixes legal immigration for illegal immigration. It’s like when BLM rioters loot Target and then call it “racial justice”
Oldest trick in the world
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