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Old 05-24-2022, 10:25 AM
 
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Maybe the underlined is the problem. What you said implies that men are uncontrollable animals. I don't believe that to be the case. It should be reversed IMO... not to the point of Islam/Sharia levels which is pure authoritarianism... but just in setting the standard for the culture.

As long as sin persists in our world, pornography will persist... and it's still toxic to our spirits and relationships. Pornography destroys the ability to be truly intimate with a spouse/significant other.
I’m not sure I quite understand your point …. “it should be reversed” ? Are you suggesting we should rather rely on men to set the moral standards for society instead of women? If that is what you are proposing, all I can say is …. good luck with that!

I believe the current state of society is a product of induced corruption on many levels, with sexual promiscuity and deviancy being only one of the more recognizable symptoms. The ease at which human beings can be manipulated, and their lower instincts called to the fore is dramatically underestimated by most. And this manipulation has been subtle, and carried out over time, with a long sequence of small steps, each one appearing innocuous in isolation, and in many cases appearing beneficial, yet combined have caused significant alterations in what is generally considered “right and wrong”. The ability to “rationalize” virtually anything seems to be unlimited, whereas in the past, society did have certain standards that were embraced by the majority, with some exceptions here and there.

This can be verified by simply observing various cultures, and the differences in what each one embraces as acceptable and expected conduct. For example, Asian cultures typically express greater emphasis on what is considered “honorable” conduct, and go to greater lengths to conform to those rules. Many cultures have behavior standards which are adhered to in compliance with rules established by the family, not society or the state, and family acceptance is a strong motivator, compared to outside sources of disapproval. We human beings are born with a natural instinct for seeking approval of our parents, because they are our source for everything needed for survival, not to say there aren’t the rebels and black sheep … large families will usually have one!

And, circling back to my original point, families are typically governed by the matriarch. The mothers/grandmothers are the rule makers, the judge and the jury, whereas the fathers/grandfathers are typically the rule enforcers. The old cliche “if momma isn’t happy, nobody is happy” is testimony to this reality.

So, if you want to corrupt society, corrupt the women, and you destroy the family in the process. And this is exactly what we have seen take place.
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Old 05-24-2022, 10:31 AM
 
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I’m not sure I quite understand your point …. “it should be reversed” ? Are you suggesting we should rather rely on men to set the moral standards for society instead of women? If that is what you are proposing, all I can say is …. good luck with that!

I believe the current state of society is a product of induced corruption on many levels, with sexual promiscuity and deviancy being only one of the more recognizable symptoms. The ease at which human beings can be manipulated, and their lower instincts called to the fore is dramatically underestimated by most. And this manipulation has been subtle, and carried out over time, with a long sequence of small steps, each one appearing innocuous in isolation, and in many cases appearing beneficial, yet combined have caused significant alterations in what is generally considered “right and wrong”. The ability to “rationalize” virtually anything seems to be unlimited, whereas in the past, society did have certain standards that were embraced by the majority, with some exceptions here and there.

This can be verified by simply observing various cultures, and the differences in what each one embraces as acceptable and expected conduct. For example, Asian cultures typically express greater emphasis on what is considered “honorable” conduct, and go to greater lengths to conform to those rules. Many cultures have behavior standards which are adhered to in compliance with rules established by the family, not society or the state, and family acceptance is a strong motivator, compared to outside sources of disapproval. We human beings are born with a natural instinct for seeking approval of our parents, because they are our source for everything needed for survival, not to say there aren’t the rebels and black sheep … large families will usually have one!

And, circling back to my original point, families are typically governed by the matriarch. The mothers/grandmothers are the rule makers, the judge and the jury, whereas the fathers/grandfathers are typically the rule enforcers. The old cliche “if momma isn’t happy, nobody is happy” is testimony to this reality.

So, if you want to corrupt society, corrupt the women, and you destroy the family in the process. And this is exactly what we have seen take place.
Look at pornography from the early 1900s...the 1950s...and compare it to porn today. (notice a trend?)


We are slowly and methodically becoming MORE TOLERANT and accepting of stranger and stranger, (more deviant forms of pornography).


If you were to take a Hustler magazine and jump into a time machine and go back to 1910...you would be arrested for possessing such 'obscene' material.
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Old 05-24-2022, 11:36 AM
 
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I dont think there is anything wrong with consenting adults producing or watch adult pornography or engaging is consensual prostitution.
The problem I have is when it is not consensual and not adults.
As someone who admires the wisdom found in our Constitution, I agree that the benefits of freedom of speech and expression, as well as the right to personal privacy without government interference outweighs the excuses that might be used to justify violating them.

However, what I see happening is the exact opposite. I see direct interference and violation of those constitutional protections, under the false premise of adhering to them.

One of the most blatant examples of this is the overt violation of virtually everything contained in the 1st Amendment protections, which states “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

One of the more misunderstood, and misapplied (abused) protections is the direct violation of religious freedom, in the name of protecting it. For example, the federal prohibition on school prayer is a classic example of an overt violation by the government of the right to religious expression. Some argue that school prayer represents government’s promotion of religion that violates the constitution. But that’s just nonsense, unless someone can explain two simple things … the first being how school children reciting a morning prayer in school can somehow be confused with an act of congress making a law, which is purely a legislative process having nothing to do with what children do or don’t do in a school classroom. And secondly, how government making a law prohibiting school prayer is not a direct violation at face value? It clearly says, congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion (which clearly applies to making a law by congress, and nothing else) while it directly violates the “free exercise thereof” portion by prohibiting religious expression in the form of prayer, which it is supposed to protect, not prohibit.

Why is this important? Because it is just another part of the overall strategy to remove God and religion from society, which has always been the primary source of guidance regarding morality, starting with the kiddos. Get ‘em early. While religion seems to be viewed as so poisonous that simple prayer must be outlawed, there seems to be no problem with indoctrinating children with material of a sexual nature, inappropriate for their age.

So, I agree that the government should stay out of the business of pornography and prostitution, and that includes government promotion of material and actions that groom future participants starting at kindergarten.

If there seems to be a morality crisis, look no further for the source.
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Old 05-24-2022, 11:52 AM
 
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Look at pornography from the early 1900s...the 1950s...and compare it to porn today. (notice a trend?)


We are slowly and methodically becoming MORE TOLERANT and accepting of stranger and stranger, (more deviant forms of pornography).


If you were to take a Hustler magazine and jump into a time machine and go back to 1910...you would be arrested for possessing such 'obscene' material.
Most considered it obscene when Hustler came out in the 1970’s … including the government. Larry Flint was under heavy pressure and scrutiny by government and religious institutions.

While a lot of people dismiss this as a conspiracy theory, we have what amounts to institutionalized Satanism which has taken control of levels of power in government, media and entertainment. The evidence is overwhelming, as are the denials of it.
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Old 05-24-2022, 11:55 AM
 
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What is wrong with consenting adults producing or viewing adult pornography? The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled numerous times over more than the last half century that viewing, possessing, producing, and distributing consensual adult pornography meets the criteria for legality under protections of the individual right to privacy, and more importantly, freedom of speech. The First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution protects individual freedom of speech: "Congress shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech..."

Interesting how some people interpret the Second Amendment as being absolute in its definition, yet, somehow not the First Amendment...?

The moral grandstanding of theocracy, or the militant regime of communism, are not what our nation stands for. Our law is not based on authoritarian doctrine. We stand for freedom.
Please explain how the government prohibiting school prayer is not a direct violation of the 1st Amendment?
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