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Old 05-27-2022, 05:23 AM
 
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uhm... can you guys at least get terms correct....

its not clips... its magazines
"uhm... can you guys at least get terms correct....

its not clips... its magazines'


uhm.... it can be EITHER depending on the type of gun.

 
Old 05-27-2022, 05:34 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Ideas to stop these mass shootings and gun violence in general in this country:

1. No assault rifles
2. No semi-automatic machine pistols
3. No foldable stocks
4. No body armor
5. No extended magazines
6. No fully automatic weapons
7. Gun owners must be 21
8. All gun owners must be licensed
9. Licensing to require strong background checks for criminal history or a history of violence or mental issues
10. Licensing to require gun safety and use training and gun law training. To be renewed at regular intervals
11. Red flag laws in place nationally
12. Required reporters (educators, law enforcement, legal, mental and physical health professionals, social workers) are by law required to report any kind of criminal activity, suicide ideation, violent threats or actions to federal gun licensing authorities
13. No private gun sales
14. All guns to be registered
15. All guns in a home with any resident without a license requires those guns to be stored with safes, locks
16. No one under 21 can be licensed
17. No one under 21 can possess a gun on their person, even temporarily, without a licensed gun owner present
18. All guns required active gun use insurance
19. All ammunition sales to be recorded and ammunition sales require proof of gun license and insurance
20. Anyone with a gun in public is required to provide proof of gun license and insurance at any time
21. Making any kind of threat with a gun on your person is a felony, no brandishing required
22. No guns within ½ mile of a school or church
23. Require that any theft of guns be immediately reported
24. National voluntary gun buyback program
25. Any gun used in a crime or found to not be properly licensed and insured is to be taken into law enforcement possession and destroyed as soon as possible
26. Anyone found in possession of a gun in public or in their residence without proper license or insurance will be charged with a crime
Not one item listed is reasonable. It's called a right for a reason.
 
Old 05-27-2022, 05:35 AM
 
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They problem we have is trying to argue with willful ignorance. These people absolutely refuse to believe anything that they do not want to believe. In spite of all the evidence and facts staring them right in the face. It's a no win situation trying to argue with such ignorance. Arguing with such people is a frustrating exercise in futility.

The Supreme Court already ruled that the 2nd Amendment is indeed an individual right unrelated to service in a militia and it applies to weapons that are hand held and in common use. To find the true intent of the founders when drafting the Constitution and Bill of Rights. The court obviously looked into the writings of the founders themselves instead of choosing to ignore them. How else could they have ever reached their conclusion? Their job is to interpret the Constitution as it is written, not what they want it to be and not legislate from the bench.
" and it applies to weapons that are hand held and in common use."

Really?

Provide for us WHERE they defined "arms".

They did NOT ban warships or cannons which PRIVATE CITIZENS owned at the time. Why?

President Thomas Jefferson BOUGHT, with FEDERAL MONEY 2 SEMI-AUTOMATICS and gave them to TWO civilians, Lewis and Clark.

I'll go by their ACTUAL quotes and actions NOT, what any court says.

As we know, many judges are POLITICAL and previos decisions have been overturned by later courts.
 
Old 05-27-2022, 05:40 AM
 
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They problem we have is trying to argue with willful ignorance. These people absolutely refuse to believe anything that they do not want to believe. In spite of all the evidence and facts staring them right in the face. It's a no win situation trying to argue with such ignorance. Arguing with such people is a frustrating exercise in futility.

The Supreme Court already ruled that the 2nd Amendment is indeed an individual right unrelated to service in a militia and it applies to weapons that are hand held and in common use. To find the true intent of the founders when drafting the Constitution and Bill of Rights. The court obviously looked into the writings of the founders themselves instead of choosing to ignore them. How else could they have ever reached their conclusion? Their job is to interpret the Constitution as it is written, not what they want it to be and not legislate from the bench.
" and it applies to weapons that are hand held and in common use."

Really?

Provide fore us WHERE they defined "weapons that are hand held".

They did NOT ban warships or cannons which PRIVATE CITIZENS owned at the time.

Pretty had to hold a cannon or warship in your hand.

President Thomas Jefferson BOUGHT, with FEDERAL MONEY 2 SEMI-AUTOMATICS and gave them to TWO civilians, Lewis and Clark.

I'll go by their ACTUAL quotes and actions NOT, what any court says.

As we know, many judges are POLITICAL.
 
Old 05-27-2022, 05:43 AM
 
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How many times do those letters, quotes and look here's be seen as just that? They are talking statements that reflect the times/situations they were written in and applicable then not as a justification for this right wing fear that the government must be subverted.

Think of them as the 10 second video of its day where just the key words are captured but if you have a chance to read what's before or after those words the meaning changes. Just like the "YouTube Video" evidence and click-bait news stories that are so prolific and presented as FACTS today....
You do live in a different world then I do!
 
Old 05-27-2022, 05:46 AM
 
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I know of two instances where people got significant jail time for shooting at a carjacker. CCW just ain't enough-- it takes a responsible gun owner.


https://nypost.com/2019/04/22/man-ar...-be-carjacker/


https://www.channel3000.com/man-arre...de-police-say/
"I know of two instances where people got significant jail time for shooting at a carjacker."


Provide exactly WHERE these happened.
It DOES make a difference.
 
Old 05-27-2022, 05:51 AM
 
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Did delay it though. As the shooter purchased the rifles the very day it became legal for him to do so.

The brain’s cognitive control system isn't done developing until around age 27. If the legal age to purchase said rifles was 27 instead would it have prevented this? Who knows.
" If the legal age to purchase said rifles was 27 instead would it have prevented this? Who knows.

"If the legal age to" vote!

" If the legal age to" get a drivers licensee!

" If the legal age to" enlist in the military!

We wouldn't have lot of problems!

Sorry but we DON'T live in the "if" world!
 
Old 05-27-2022, 05:55 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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No one here gives a squat about what they do in England. You can’t even carry a pocket knife. Your government has totally eviscerated your right to defend yourself. There’s a reason we aren’t subjects of the crown.
I think you will find you can't carry an offensive weapon in public in most countries.

However those using knives and guns for legal reasons such as farming, game keeping, hunting etc are excluded.

You can engage in gun sports and hunting, and use weapons in relation to define pests ad vermin.

I don't think Americans understand that there gun culture is very different to even the most gun friendly nations outside of the US.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO1_pW666cY
 
Old 05-27-2022, 05:57 AM
 
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Anyone who hunts is familiar with the 'sportsman's plug' limiting shotgun capacities to 3 rounds. Some waterfowl hunters are allowed more rounds. Obviously, the blackpowder and archery hunters get about one attempt at gain. Hunters don't throw hand grenades or use punt guns -- that's slaughter. There is not much subsistence hunting going on in America today.

So, someone arguing for large magazine capacities is not really a hunter but wants to go about spraying bullets, probably at humans, not vermin. And gun owners do not refer to the weapons as 'semiautomatic' but the more exact 'autoloaders'.
In my old state a "plug" was used for turkey, but not deer, dove or any other game.
 
Old 05-27-2022, 06:02 AM
 
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Anyone who hunts is familiar with the 'sportsman's plug' limiting shotgun capacities to 3 rounds. Some waterfowl hunters are allowed more rounds. Obviously, the blackpowder and archery hunters get about one attempt at gain. Hunters don't throw hand grenades or use punt guns -- that's slaughter. There is not much subsistence hunting going on in America today.

So, someone arguing for large magazine capacities is not really a hunter but wants to go about spraying bullets, probably at humans, not vermin. And gun owners do not refer to the weapons as 'semiautomatic' but the more exact 'autoloaders'.
"And gun owners do not refer to the weapons as 'semiautomatic' but the more exact 'autoloaders'.

NOT in my hunting experience in my lifetime of over 30 years of hunting.

Must be a colloquial thing.
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