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You don't know the political leanings of those kids parents. I know you don't because I don't. But I do know that Texas is a Republican State whose cities are run by Democrats. Doing politics in Texas? It is the R & D team, all the way.
Yet, since when did a family member of a Republican in Congress or state legislature get murdered in a mass shooting? Never?
Nothing changed because every idea the antigun crowd came up with was stupid. That's what happens when you make decisions based on emotion. The only response that stops evil is overwhelming force. Every single compromise has been in the direction of making force more difficult for the overwhelming majority of the law abiding to bring to bear because that would supposedly make it more difficult for evil to exist. It doesn't. Evil or crazy or whatever you call someone who shoots children, exists no matter what you do. Making it easier for evil to exist by removing the means to fight it is stupid.
You know what is REALLY stupid, doing nothing and expecting the mass gun murders to just go away or be stopped by "a good guy with a gun." Only a handful of mass gun-powered murders are stopped by "a good guy with a gun." This case that is bringing us the conversation yet again, proved that is a lie. We have had numerous cases of gun violence since Collumbine 23 years ago and do the same thing and expect different results. That is the definition of insanity Jim. I have to ask you, what do you solution to gun violence do you have that will actually cause them to slow up?
FYI to your point of "compromises have been proposed" from a previous post, what compromises have been made by the NRA and gun lobby? I'm not talking the "the only thing that stops 'a bad guy with a gun,' is 'a good guy with a gun,'" strawman.
You know what is REALLY stupid, doing nothing and expecting the mass gun murders to just go away or be stopped by "a good guy with a gun." Only a handful of mass gun-powered murders are stopped by "a good guy with a gun." This case that is bringing us the conversation yet again, proved that is a lie. We have had numerous cases of gun violence since Collumbine 23 years ago and do the same thing and expect different results. That is the definition of insanity Jim. I have to ask you, what do you solution to gun violence do you have that will actually cause them to slow up?
FYI to your point of "compromises have been proposed" from a previous post, what compromises have been made by the NRA and gun lobby? I'm not talking the "the only thing that stops 'a bad guy with a gun,' is 'a good guy with a gun,'" strawman.
The Bill Barr approach is the best. Secure the perimeter of every school, as tightly as airports were sealed after 9-11. (Until 9-11, I could go to any gate w/o a ticket nor security check).
Use bank vault style electronic doors. No ditzy teacher can do a Texas, forget her cell phone, lodge a door open. Doors open and close electronically. Exception are fire doors.
Yeah, next year the Republican legislators may want to ban birth control for all women, unless they can prove they are married. The same Republican legislators are also proud of passing the nation's first anti red flag law. This means you can threaten to shoot people dead all you want with a gun but nobody, like a judge, has the power to take your gun away. You first have to prove you're a menace to society by shooting someone for no good reason.
You know what is REALLY stupid, doing nothing and expecting the mass gun murders to just go away or be stopped by "a good guy with a gun." Only a handful of mass gun-powered murders are stopped by "a good guy with a gun." This case that is bringing us the conversation yet again, proved that is a lie. We have had numerous cases of gun violence since Collumbine 23 years ago and do the same thing and expect different results. That is the definition of insanity Jim. I have to ask you, what do you solution to gun violence do you have that will actually cause them to slow up?
FYI to your point of "compromises have been proposed" from a previous post, what compromises have been made by the NRA and gun lobby? I'm not talking the "the only thing that stops 'a bad guy with a gun,' is 'a good guy with a gun,'" strawman.
Are you in favor of putting law enforcement in schools and keeping doors locked at all times to help protect children?
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The Bill Barr approach is the best. Secure the perimeter of every school, as tightly as airports were sealed after 9-11. (Until 9-11, I could go to any gate w/o a ticket nor security check).
Use bank vault style electronic doors. No ditzy teacher can do a Texas, forget her cell phone, lodge a door open. Doors open and close electronically. Exception are fire doors.
Two issues I see with this. At age 17 you can defend this country and its freedom, but you can't exercise said freedom. Raise the age of military enlistment to 21 to match, though, would solve that.
And, the gun is a convenient method. Take it away and they just move to blowing up a school, church or anywhere else that's like fish in a barrel to them. Apparently one can find anything and everything 'how to' on the Internet.
The reality is --- no one and no law can't stop mean people from being mean and authorities can not always defuse a situation. Giving up, giving back, amending a right that was once granted, won't stop it from happening either and it could make it to where we are worse off, than what we were.
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Exceptions can be made for those in the military or law enforcement.
We as a civilized country shouldn't have to act so totally helpless and defenseless toward those who are mentally ill and want to shoot dead totally innocent little children and adults.
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Exceptions can be made for those in the military or law enforcement.
A full grown man walked into a police station and shot it up. He was a police officer. That happened when I lived in Dallas the year --- between 01 and 03 maybe. I knew one of the officers who told me that he walked a beat at the fair grounds with the man that shot up the precinct --- and he never would have guessed the man next to him, was hearing voices.
So, you want to make an exception? The man was over the age 21 and certainly greater than 17. The military and LE run background checks on enlistees. So then that exception is going to need an exception. And the exception will also need a exception and pretty soon, you run out of exceptions. Doesn't seem right that at age 17 the person dies defending freedoms for everyone but himself.
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We as a civilized country shouldn't have to act so totally helpless and defenseless toward those who are mentally ill and want to shoot dead totally innocent little children and adults.
Give up your freedom(s) and everybody lives. You buy that? Cause that's what's up for sale.
At the end of the 60s there was a school shooting. Three of them actually. All colleges. Unarmed students were shot by the national guardsmen. You're right, we shouldn't be totally helpless and defenseless --- and only in certain situations are we ever.
Thomas Sowell is quoted as saying “much of the problems in the west over the past few decades is a history of replacing what works with what sounded good”. Guess what? That’s were we are now, and this is a product of exactly that … doing what sounded good, rather than doing what was proven to work.
What do I mean? Well, we have the past, where the most heinous crime occurring in our schools when I was growing up was an occasional playground scuffle, that usually resulted more in a pushing and shoving contest, than actual punches being thrown. Mass shootings? Unheard of. Yet, kids grew up with BB guns, sling shots and other things the nanny crowd considers so harmful today. There’s even national efforts to ban such things as dodge ball, because someone could get hurt. We never realized how dangerous these things really were, and it must have been pure serendipity that we survived the mortal wounds of a rubber ball.
What did we not have, besides teenage mass murderers? Well, 3 out 10 kids were not medicated with some form of psychotropic pharmaceutical whose labels warn of side effects of suicidal thoughts, aggression, and violent thoughts. We also didn’t sit around for hours on end, playing realistic video games like Call of Duty, Postal, Mortal Kombat, Doom, etc. These games are third person killing games which reward players for the amount of murder and mayhem they can inflict, and the gore and grotesque violence is literally off the charts, with Postal being banned around the world, but did not stop the makers from making two follow up versions. Many psychologists consider these games extremely harmful, and desensitizing, which normalizes extremely abnormal levels of pure uncontrolled, gratuitous violence. Mix that with the psychotropic drugs … what could possibly go wrong? Right?
Then, we have the nonstop, endless clamoring of sensitivity training that itself is enough to drive someone crazy, by either being labeled a perpetrator of misdeeds toward others, or perpetual victims of social, racial, gender, or sexual orientation discrimination. Mass vaccination, mask mania, threats and rumors of wars, of social upheaval, of financial catastrophes. When does this bombardment of love, compassion and good news end? It never ends. It’s 24/7 … it’s almost enough to drive anyone off the edge …. so, what chance does a drugged up mentally troubled teenager have in coping with such an onslaught of every source of depression that can be imagined?
Violent movies, violent video games, thug rap music, devil worshiping hardcore metal blaring in the background, as one weaves his way through the latest mass shooter electronic training games …. and let’s not leave out street drugs, and all of the twisted new ideas about gender fluidity, and the mental madness involved in refusing to simply require biological boys use the boys restrooms, and girls to use the girls bathroom. And let’s allow Joe, who wants to be called Jolene to rough up the biological girls on the soccer field just for good measure. That’s a nice touch, isn’t it?
To be totally blunt … banning firearms is about the only bad idea the left hasn’t managed to impose on everyone else, which is really just the absurd idea that all of their other bad ideas can be solved with one more bad idea.
Yeah, next year the Republican legislators may want to ban birth control for all women, unless they can prove they are married. The same Republican legislators are also proud of passing the nation's first anti red flag law. This means you can threaten to shoot people dead all you want with a gun but nobody, like a judge, has the power to take your gun away. You first have to prove you're a menace to society by shooting someone for no good reason.
Proof to being able to threaten to shoot people dead all you want? Proof to there not being consequences to these threats?
And you blaming society, aka bullying, is a perfect example of defending and enabling criminals…and let’s not forget the cries from Dems to defund the police because of poor Floyd. Violent crime and mass shooting has skyrocketed since, but please do tell what Dems have done to stop the crime and putting criminals away?
Big deal. I don't know of any member of the town police being present in schools in my very small rural town. The schools aren't even fenced off. Bullying is a problem as it has been for many decades, though.
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