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Old 06-02-2022, 11:10 PM
 
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The bible has been called the book of wisdom. So, you might as well ask why didn't the man in the bible who caused a woman to miscarry didn't get charged with murdering a human being. All he got was fined. If the man, instead, got executed, then that surely would have been much more to your liking.
Scott Peterson would disagree with you on that.


When he killed Lacy and her unborn baby, I do not recall anyone asking how far along her pregnancy was...they just wanted Scott to be harshly punished, 2 counts of 1st degree murder.


In the legal sense, an unborn fetus is definitely a real and separate life, (the Prosecutors would not have been able to impose the 2nd murder charge if it was not).


We can disagree all day on this forum, but LEGALLY, its one thing and one thing only, and never does the length of the pregnancy matter during the trial. I dont remember anyone supporting Scott for killing her unborn child, I wonder why?



Its OK if some doctor kills the fetus, but not one of the parents? LOL That is absurd.
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Old 06-02-2022, 11:16 PM
 
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Scott Peterson would disagree with you on that.


When he killed Lacy and her unborn baby, I do not recall anyone asking how far along her pregnancy was...they just wanted Scott to be harshly punished, 2 counts of 1st degree murder.


In the legal sense, an unborn fetus is definitely a real and separate life, (the Prosecutors would not have been able to impose the 2nd murder charge if it was not).


We can disagree all day on this forum, but LEGALLY, its one thing and one thing only, and never does the length of the pregnancy matter during the trial. I dont remember anyone supporting Scott for killing her unborn child, I wonder why?



Its OK if some doctor kills the fetus, but not one of the parents? LOL That is absurd.
If I remember correctly Lacy’s baby was 8 or nine months along. The baby was viable. A fetus in the first trimester when most abortions happen isn’t viable.
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Old 06-03-2022, 12:36 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Why are the far-right Oklahomans United For Life not all that happy with Oklahoma's passed anti-abortion laws? To that group, the laws mean the abortion industry is prepared and ready to launch a program of full-scale, do-it-yourself, mail-order abortions. With no punishment in the new laws for women who get drug induced abortions, the quantity of abortions will increase even while the number of surgical abortions decreases. Women who are immune from prosecution can easily and freely buy abortion pills and share abortion advice online.

https://www.oklahomansunitedforlife....GawJWB3ibCC4VY
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Old 06-03-2022, 06:24 AM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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The bible has been called the book of wisdom. So, you might as well ask why didn't the man in the bible who caused a woman to miscarry didn't get charged with murdering a human being. All he got was fined. If the man, instead, got executed, then that surely would have been much more to your liking.
^More falsehoods?

https://www.city-data.com/forum/63337172-post487.html
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Old 06-03-2022, 06:25 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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Always a good idea to follow the thread....
I did follow the thread. You make no sense with your analogy to paying taxes. Geesh!
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Old 06-03-2022, 07:48 AM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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If I remember correctly Lacy’s baby was 8 or nine months along. The baby was viable. A fetus in the first trimester when most abortions happen isn’t viable.
Joel Luna was given a life sentence for killing his unborn child during the 5th week of pregnancy.
https://www.cbs7.com/content/news/Ma...491663411.html
https://www.cbs7.com/2021/11/17/man-...g-unborn-baby/

Erik Ohlson was given 25 years to life for killing both his ex-girlfriend and his unborn child. The ex was 8 to 12 weeks pregnant.
https://www.eastidahonews.com/2019/0...d-unborn-baby/

Sheldon Robert Pettibone was found guilty and given supervised probation for two years with a five-year suspended penitentiary sentence if he violates the terms of the probation, for accidentally shooting his wife and killing their unborn child, she was about 4 months pregnant.
https://www.argusleader.com/story/ne...on/2995800001/

There's many more men who are serving time for killing, or attempting to kill, an unborn child at many different stages of the pregnancy, whether it is their child or not and whether it was done intentionally or by accident. Also, there's probably some women who have been sentenced for killing or attempting to kill another womans unborn baby.


18 U.S. Code § 1841 - Protection of unborn children
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1841
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Old 06-03-2022, 07:53 AM
 
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Where are all the pro choice supporters,when someone kills a pregnant women?


Apparently their level of concern depends greatly on how far along the pregnancy is? Go figure.


It would be interesting to see a case where a doctor kills a pregnant women, I wonder how the pro choice crowd would react such a thing? I dont think they would know how to react.


(its OK if doctor kills the baby in his office...but if its anywhere else, its criminal?)
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Old 06-03-2022, 08:08 AM
 
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A fetus is one of the many stages of human life. Killing a fetus will get most people sent to prison for homicide.
But its not a baby.
A blastocyst and an embryo are developmental stages as well, not babies either.
There is a difference in being alive and being a life form.
Killing a fetus rarely get anyone sent to prison for homicide. There are how many abortions/year? How many miscarriages? Only in rare cases due to controversial laws passed on emotions and political posturing and based on victimhood does a perpetrator of assault on a pregnant woman resulting in the death of her fetus result in a homicide conviction.
Now if you kill an actual baby there is a great chance of being sent to prison regardless of who you are.
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Old 06-03-2022, 08:16 AM
 
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Yet, why does most of those laws make a woman getting an abortion an exception?
Good question as that's unconstitutional. Per the Equal Protection Clause, there can be no laws that carve out an exception in which some people can legally commit what for others would be considered a crime (even LEOs are prosecuted and convicted of killing at will unless their own life is imminently threatened - Chauvin a recent example). Either anyone can kill a child in utero, or no one can.

Take it even further... since pregnant women are legally allowed to kill another human who presents an inconvenience to them, why can't we ALL just kill those who are an inconvenience in our lives? Same same.
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Old 06-03-2022, 08:18 AM
 
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They don’t care at all about the babies. They only care about punishing the women. It’s always been about that.
How is it punishment when women themselves have opted in to a pregnancy? 95% of unintended pregnancies are due to women VOLUNTARILY participating in unprotected sex, by their own admission. No birth control = likely pregnancy.
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