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Old 06-16-2022, 08:13 AM
 
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Oh, yeah, Paxlovid is without a doubt the new miracle drug treatment to get cured of covid fast. The affected person taking it will start feeling a lot better the day after. Coughing will be reduced; fever will be well down maybe back to normal. And likely no side effects. If hospitals don't become overwhelmed again later this year as cases go back up, then we'll know why.
Rebound cases are common with paxlovid.
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Old 06-16-2022, 08:19 AM
 
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The fully vaccinated immune compromised person in my life died with covid. It’s not bullet proof by any means.
Sorry for your loss. There are variants of omnicron which are more dangerous, so I'm still wearing a mask, just in case....

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/omi...dc-2022-06-07/
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Old 06-16-2022, 10:14 AM
 
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Here are some facts on the Flu vaccines, and you can decide for yourself if you should take them or not.

1-"Flu" vaccines target a virus and several strains of that virus in the Orthomyxoviridae family
2-When people say the "Flu" they really mean Influenza like Illness (ILI), which can be caused by the above mentioned virus, or other viruses, or bacteria
3-On a given year, your odds of developing ILI is around 20%, however only 2% to catch a virus from the Orthomyxoviridae family as confirmed by PCR test. This means most ILI are not caused by IAV/IBV/others of which the vaccines target
4-A Cochrane meta-analysis revealed that the maximum efficacy of the "Flu" vaccine in preventing you from catching IAV/IBV/others is 50%. Translated into absolute risk, on the best of years your odds of catching those viruses goes down from 2% to 1% following vaccination.
5-The same Cochrane meta-analysis revealed no effect that was statistically significant of "Flu" vaccinations for preventing ILI, because as we established, ILI is mostly caused by other viruses and sometimes bacteria.

With these facts in mind, you can consider to not take a shot that is probably worsening many conditions and autoimmune issues in your body through exposure of heavy metal adjuvants, "Alum" being one. When we expose mice or rates to repeated injections of "Alum" they develop various autoimmune issues and neurological problems. Everything from Graves syndrome, GBS, Alzheimers, etc can be induced in animal models through exposure to these adjuvants.

I for one will never take such a vaccine in my life. Your mileage may vary.
No doubt one of the reasons why my medical practice, mainly seniors, had so few hospitalizations and deaths due to Influenza, is because we were very persistent with annual flu vaccinations. In 40 years I might count on one hand how many died.
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Old 06-16-2022, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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You sound like a smoker who has had too many friends on his ass (all leftists, no doubt) about quitting:

I will take my chances with cigarettes. Nothing will stop me from continuing to smoke cigarettes. I will fire up as frequently as possible.
This is a strange and poor analogy. Cigarettes are causal for lung cancer, and are associated with several other chronic disease, with decades worth of data to back it up.

Since vaccines have been available, the case fatality rate for COVID has dropped astronomically. Very few vaccinated will be hospitalized or suffer serious mortality now.

How is a vaccine akin to smoking cigarettes??? Makes zero sense
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Old 06-16-2022, 10:23 AM
 
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Then surely you think the Mayo Clinic works for or gets kickbacks from Pfizer.

If true, the rebound rate of Paxlovid is only 1-2% in high-risk people, then that is very small.

Quite a few prescribed drugs are liable to inhibit or interfere with the body's mechanism in some way, while doing great good. Antibiotics are just one example.

Ritonavir is on the World Health Organization's List of Essential Medicines.
Of course Paxlovid works. It's job is to prevent more severe progression of the disease. And the rebound is proving a minor nuisance so far. I would bet if they gave you 7 days of Rx, the problem not be evident.

By the way if you have taken it, it has some nasty side effects. The sour grapefruit taste lingers in the mouth like you've taken a bite out of the rind. And there are many meds including my prostate Rx that you can't take while taking, and for a few days after taking Paxlovid. And that presented me with enough problems to quit the Paxlovid early. And I'm still good...
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Old 06-16-2022, 11:02 AM
 
Location: King County, WA
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Hopefully he gets better.
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Old 06-16-2022, 11:08 AM
 
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Of course Paxlovid works. It's job is to prevent more severe progression of the disease. And the rebound is proving a minor nuisance so far. I would bet if they gave you 7 days of Rx, the problem not be evident.

By the way if you have taken it, it has some nasty side effects. The sour grapefruit taste lingers in the mouth like you've taken a bite out of the rind. And there are many meds including my prostate Rx that you can't take while taking, and for a few days after taking Paxlovid. And that presented me with enough problems to quit the Paxlovid early. And I'm still good...

Did Pfizer run clinical trials for Paxlovoid in vaccinated individuals? What was its effectiveness in that group?
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Old 06-16-2022, 11:48 AM
 
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I don't know anyone who has died of influenza. Nor does anyone I know know someone who has died of influenza.

Like I said, it's an incredibly rare virus to catch (2% odds a year) and when you do, vast majority of people do just fine with it.

Perhaps you know more high risks than me, but even through my Church network, which features many frail people seeking God before they get buried, I don't know of any, and thats 100s of people.
Of course as a retired internist with a long term experience caring for seniors I've known many more high risks than most people. We have an occaisional Influenza death at our hospital, but I don't know numbers. We serve an area of about 100K, rural, quite poor and older. We've done poorly with Covid, finally below a 3% death rate. And much of that is due to demographics.
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Old 06-16-2022, 11:52 AM
 
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Did Pfizer run clinical trials for Paxlovoid in vaccinated individuals? What was its effectiveness in that group?
Associated with my anecdotal case we have 3 high risk vaccinated that did fine with Paxlovid.

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-re...dtm-supporting
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Old 06-16-2022, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Rebound cases are common with paxlovid.
What is common? The highest figure I have seen is 10%.
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