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Old 06-25-2022, 12:20 AM
 
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And you think that a person living with the knowing they killed their unborn child is a walk in the park? Maybe for some, but not for everyone. Don't pretend otherwise.

If I had died at birth, no I would not have known, but I do know, because I lived; I'm glad she didn't choose the coat hanger.
Fetus.

 
Old 06-25-2022, 12:21 AM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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And people who are dead need neither --- is that the solution? Trust I'm all for this planet returning to a time before man. I"m sure it was peaceful. However, we are here and I fail to see where killing each other off is a productive use of our time.
A solution? So have you now changed your position that there is no problem? Great. Do you have any thoughts as to providing basic needs, such as adequate food, to these new unwanted poor babies, keeping in mind there are already 13 million poor children in this country for whom we are not currently providing adequate food?

No, I do not advocate "killing each other off". You seem to make a habit of asserting your opinion that abortion = murder as fact. So let me state clearly that I do not share your opinion.
 
Old 06-25-2022, 12:25 AM
 
Location: North Pacific
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Is it the tiny little person's fault? Adoption is always a solution to an unwanted pregnancy. I was given up. I'm glad she didn't choose the coat hanger.
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Originally Posted by RMESMH View Post
If the woman has been raped, the pregnancy isn't her fault.
So the child has to pay the price for something it didn't do, but because it was the result of a unfortunate incident. If for every problem we face in this world the solution is killing, who among us gets to live?
 
Old 06-25-2022, 12:26 AM
 
Location: North Pacific
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And people who are dead need neither --- is that the solution? Trust I'm all for this planet returning to a time before man. I"m sure it was peaceful. However, we are here and I fail to see where killing each other off is a productive use of our time.
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A solution? So have you now changed your position that there is no problem? Great. Do you have any thoughts as to providing basic needs, such as adequate food, to these new unwanted poor babies, keeping in mind there are already 13 million poor children in this country for whom we are not currently providing adequate food?

No, I do not advocate "killing each other off". You seem to make a habit of asserting your opinion that abortion = murder as fact. So let me state clearly that I do not share your opinion.
I don't share yours either, so now what?
 
Old 06-25-2022, 12:30 AM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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I don't share yours either, so now what?
Discontinue asking me questions about abortion being murder? My answer is always going to be that abortion is not murder.
 
Old 06-25-2022, 12:32 AM
 
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Fetus.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/child

Definition of child
1a: a young person especially between infancy and puberty
a play for both children and adults
b: a person not yet of the age of majority (see MAJORITY sense 2a)
Under the law she is still a child.
c: a childlike or childish person

3a: an unborn or recently born person


Why are you speaking Latin?
 
Old 06-25-2022, 12:32 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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I'd love to hear from anyone who wants to reply to the topic. This is about children already born. Other off-topic ventures have been covered many times in other threads. Please see post #1 for my questions. Thanks!
I disagree with any state banning abortion outright. That seems extreme to me. I hope they will be prevented from doing that.

Banning abortion after 15 weeks is much more reasonable.
 
Old 06-25-2022, 12:32 AM
 
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Yet you’re dismissing responsibility and defending those that choose to dismiss it and make them the martyr for their poor decisions.
Reminder: here is the topic. It is about children that will be born, not embryos that will be aborted. Thanks!

In states that want to ban abortion entirely:

1. Who will pay for prenatal care if the mother can't afford it? (For example, Texas leads the nation in teen pregnancies.)

2. How will states deal with an increase in babies the parents can't afford? How will social programs to feed these babies be expanded?

3. Will state-funded DNA testing be automatically enacted to confirm paternity? How will paternity tests be bodily forced upon accused fathers?

4. Will stiffer penalties, including prison, be enforced against fathers who refuse to pay child support? Will the mothers be represented pro bono if they can't afford attorneys to ensure this happens?

5. Will rape charges be brought by the state if the girl is underage and the man isn't?
 
Old 06-25-2022, 12:33 AM
 
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Is that a Yes or a No to the question: Is morality subjective?
It's not that type of question.

A simple yes or no doesn't do it justice. It's a philosophical question.
 
Old 06-25-2022, 12:33 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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One more time ---- the u.s. has a TFR of 1.64, everyone is going to manage just fine.
Nobody knows what you are talking about. What is TFR?

How does that relate to how to care for the extra children born in states that ban or severely limit abortion.
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