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Right? I think we're beginning to see why there's such a big problem with unintended pregnancies. There are a LOT of women that have little to no knowledge on how to manage their own reproductive health. HOW does that happen in this day and age when US taxpayers fund over 4,000 government Family Planning Clinics plus Planned Parenthood has 700 clinics? Are they living under a rock? What in the hell?
If it's good enough for adult actresses and sex workers, who have sex with hundreds of men, it's good enough for everyone else who doesn't have sex with hundreds of men.
OK... There's a definite pattern here. Women are posting, referring only to the pill as birth control. Men and some women (including me) are responding that there are many more bc options than just the pill. Clearly, some people have deficient knowledge on ways to manage their own reproductive health. How do men know more than women on that?
I don't much like the "exceptions for rape/incest" rationale. How many desperate women are gonna make accusations if that is the law in a given state? They won't make it "if your accused is convicted you can abort" because by the time it gets through a trial she probably already had the kid. I don't believe false accusations to be extremely common right now, but you're throwing a big motivation for women to do that down, with that.
I've been saying that if it were up to me, the law would permit abortion for any reason, none asked for, up to 12 weeks. That's the procedure (done from 5 1/2 weeks to 12 weeks) involving taking two pills to induce miscarriage. The more invasive surgical procedure (done after 12 weeks) would only be done in a hospital for a medical emergency. That is the best compromise, and the easiest, that I can imagine. Legislate by procedure. Pills versus surgical removal. And if it is an medical emergency one, if the baby's life can be saved, then it would be. It wouldn't necessarily always be "abortion" so much as "save both if possible, the mother if not."
Why can't women just be more responsible with birth control? The answers are as varied as the individuals. Some are teenagers who don't know how to get birth control, or may not know how to use it properly, or may be persuaded by a guy that she doesn't need it and it's fine. Do you know how many guys I've had tell me that they "couldn't get a girl pregnant, they were infertile" and the only reason they thought this, is that they'd had unprotected sex at some point and it didn't happen then, they say, so it must not be a problem. Guys say ridiculous things to get laid sometimes.
Think I read that a hefty number, like over 40% IIRC, of teen pregnancies were caused by men in their 20s or older, too.
Then there's rape, and stealthing. Birth control methods failing.
Frankly, some of these things you could say that women ought to know better, but yanno, not all women are smart. Not all men are smart, either...but we seem to expect a higher bar for women. Women are individuals of a wide spectrum of intelligence and mental health levels, though.
But I can say why I would have gotten an abortion, if I hadn't miscarried, the one time. I'd had my tubes tied. I was TRYING to be responsible. My doc told me that as soon as I felt healed and able, I was free to enjoy sex and not worry about conception. What she should have told me, was to wait a full menstrual cycle. I was towards the end of my first period following the surgery and felt well enough to have sex, and I did. Must've had a "round in the chamber" so to speak, that had not yet been cast out. I knew pretty much right away, and tests confirmed it. I had scheduled my visit with Planned Parenthood and educated myself on the subject. But I had to wait until 5 1/2 weeks. They don't actually DO abortions of any kind prior to that point. Fortunately, at 5 weeks, nature took care of it... Which is what happens in 60-70% of conceptions, for those who are not aware...they spontaneously miscarry by 5 weeks.
Which is the other worry I have about states having bans. That some women (even if it's unwarranted) will be so afraid of being treated like a criminal or investigated like one, that they will not seek medical treatment for a miscarriage even if their lives are in danger. Women will die because of some of these laws being passed in certain states. But those who oppose choice will say, it's many more babies who will be saved, than women lost. I comprehend the logic. But I tend to do my math in suffering, not in numbers of lives. Reduction of suffering is the basis for my moral code.
My Mom and I got into it about this, which is why I think a big part of the disconnect between the sides of the abortion debate lies... She believes that any amount of suffering should be endured rather than a loss of life. Death is never the answer and one must go kicking and screaming, fighting to the last. She will also adopt animals she cannot afford to feed properly, believes that suicide is the ultimate sin, and does not support any kind of euthanasia ever.
I don't agree with her about any of that. I would rather die than have a life of suffering, no quality of life. And I don't wish pain or suffering on anybody. Not even as punishment for doing something that I actually believe is wrong.
(And I do not believe that women consenting to sex for reasons other than an intent to make a baby, is wrong. At all.)
I completely agree with the first point. If rape/incest is allowed, they will abuse it.
I find you last highlighted statement quite ironic. Did you know babies in utero feel pain at 15 weeks?
OK... There's a definite pattern here. Women are posting, referring only to the pill as birth control. Men and some women (including me) are responding that there are many more bc options than just the pill. Clearly, some people have deficient knowledge on ways to manage their own reproductive health. How do men know more than women on that?
Consequence free promiscuity was one of the biggest selling points of feminism and many women guard that privilege jealously which blinds them to the big picture when it comes to this issue.
I have never ever heard of any woman lying about the pill.
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Sure thing. That lie is as old as the pill has been available.
Seriously.
My step mom did it to trap my dad into 18 years of child support. It worked beautifully. But he died when the kid was 14 so she got a raise by gettin social security survivor benefits. So women, consider trapping a man much older than you so when he dies, you get a nice check from the government in addition to any of his estate for the child.
My body and my choice - keep my legs together or use contraception. I was on the pill when I got pregnant with our second son so it does happen but not as often as people here want you to believe.
Most pregnancies on the pill are due to misuse...missing a pill, taking a pill hours later. You are supposed to take the pill at the same time everyday and if you miss a dose, you are supposed to use a backup method. How many people do THAT?
OK... There's a definite pattern here. Women are posting, referring only to the pill as birth control. Men and some women (including me) are responding that there are many more bc options than just the pill. Clearly, some people have deficient knowledge on ways to manage their own reproductive health. How do men know more than women on that?
Because the left, as usual, believes their own constituents are full of incompetent, ignorant, and stupid people who are completely helpless victims of evil Christianity.
The facts are simple:
1. There are 12 different forms of birth control, and counting.
2. People of color constituent the highest percentage of Christians in this country
3. Sex workers prove everyday how effective and sufficient the 12 different forms of birth control are, otherwise sex workers wouldn't exist. They would all be too busy pregnant.
4. Anyone can take a bus to cross state lines
5. Anyone can order mail in abortion pills
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Because the left, as usual, believes their own constituents are full of incompetent, ignorant, and stupid people who are completely helpless victims of evil Christianity.
The facts are simple:
1. There are 12 different forms of birth control, and counting.
2. People of color constituent the highest percentage of Christians in this country
3. Sex workers prove everyday how effective and sufficient the 12 different forms of birth control are, otherwise sex workers wouldn't exist. They would all be too busy pregnant.
4. Anyone can take a bus to cross state lines
5. Anyone can order mail in abortion pills
And the right believes that they do not find themselves in this situation or partake in abortions because they don't fornicate out of wedlock or practice what's mentioned in #1 ..
- Lets see a link for #2 because Whites far out number blacks in this country.
- Using sex workers to validate your argument, we have reached a new low...
- You don't understand that taking a few days, hotel, food and possibly traveling several states away once
you have an appointment is not just a get up and go option for people.
- Order pills, really from where and what happens if states make that illegal as some are trying to do?
And the right believes that they do not find themselves in this situation or partake in abortions because they don't fornicate out of wedlock or practice what's mentioned in #1 ..
I've not seen anyone claim that. And FWIW, it's not likely the right who are being irresponsible with their reproductive health to the point that they have to get an abortion.
Of those who choose abortion:
Blacks and Hispanics have higher abortion rates than whites.
Young women have higher abortion rates than older women.
Blue states have higher abortion rates, with Washington DC having the highest abortion rate of all.
And the right believes that they do not find themselves in this situation or partake in abortions because they don't fornicate out of wedlock or practice what's mentioned in #1 .
If you believe liberals are too stupid, ignorant, and incompetent to use use birth control properly, just say so.
Even sex workers know how to use birth control properly.
Surely the average lefty is more responsible than a sex worker.
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