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Old 08-10-2022, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Northern United States
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People on this thread are acting like the San Diego public schools are teaching kids that babies come from gay sex or something. It’s merely an instruction for how teachers are supposed to RESPOND to questions like that.
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Old 08-10-2022, 01:00 PM
 
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People on this thread are acting like the San Diego public schools are teaching kids that babies come from gay sex or something. It’s merely an instruction for how teachers are supposed to RESPOND to questions like that.
Considering only 4 slides out of a 247 slide deck presentation that is supposed to be on sexual education, it's likely that kids taught by these teachers may think gay sex does make babies. /shrug/
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Old 08-10-2022, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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People on this thread are acting like the San Diego public schools are teaching kids that babies come from gay sex or something. It’s merely an instruction for how teachers are supposed to RESPOND to questions like that.
I don't believe those who are clutching their pearls the tightest actually read through the entire group of presentations - and there were 6 separate presentations, not just one. Only two of them were curriculum; the others were professional development doing exactly what you stated - how to respond to questions.

Instead, folks just saw "aNal SeX!!!1!" and "LGBTQ" and jumped to erroneous conclusions. I'm also wondering if people understand what "professional development" means ... ?
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Old 08-10-2022, 01:48 PM
 
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I don't believe those who are clutching their pearls the tightest actually read through the entire group of presentations - and there were 6 separate presentations, not just one. Only two of them were curriculum; the others were professional development doing exactly what you stated - how to respond to questions.

Instead, folks just saw "aNal SeX!!!1!" and "LGBTQ" and jumped to erroneous conclusions. I'm also wondering if people understand what "professional development" means ... ?
People do.

It means: This is your job. We expect this behavior from you.

Please make sure you discuss XYZ with your students. Because the lessons will generate these questions from the students, or feel free to bring up these points yourself. We approve of this content.

That's the message.

Loud. And. Clear.

No erroneous conclusions.
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Old 08-10-2022, 02:40 PM
 
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Then why are they so BAD at it? Why isn't the district interested in ensuring that kids in their schools can read?

Clearly the teachers need remediation since about half the kids in this district aren't proficient in reading. Or math.

But I bet 85% of kids can name 10 gender identities!!!

Where's the contract that teachers need to sign that they WILL make sure the majority of their students can read?

They can just revise the form where they agree to use student pronouns.
The kids have trouble reading because they don't practice it at home with parents. Reading isn't a skill you pick up sitting in a class listening to the teacher, that is the basic concepts. Like any other skill, it takes practice/ The more you read, the better you get at it.

The districts don't have enough money to do all of the one on one tutoring and help that's required to create good readers when the parents do nothing. In Houston ISD, there was Federal grant money for a couple of years to hire reading specialists to work with kids who weren't good readers. Reading ability went up by a significant amount.

Lower SES kids need more teaching to replace what the parents of higher SES kids do. If the Legislature doesn't provide money for the additional resources, then the kids do not get the help they need. And, in Texas, a school district can't just raise taxes to pay for more resources. If a district does that, the State takes the money.

There's not a teacher in a lower SES school that would sign that contract. It's just not realistic.

Get out there and see what happens outside your bubble. Go talk to teachers who deal with this every day of the school year. The teachers who are buying their own copy paper, pens, pencils, and other supplies because of inadequate funding.
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Old 08-10-2022, 02:42 PM
 
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You're right. It IS OT but ...I am a living, breathing example of trickle down working. As we have climbed the income ladder (and yes, we are evil 1 %ers), we hire people. I hire lawn care people, people to clean my house, etc. I know you will hate me for that but I don't really care.
I don't hate you. I just don't believe you. Trickle down doesn't ever work in the macro sense. And seldom in the micro sense. I assume you withhold taxes from your employees and send them either a W2 or a 1099.
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Old 08-10-2022, 02:43 PM
 
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Well, if you don't want to get pregnant, abstinence IS the best choice. It's hard to argue with that. But they are still teaching sex ed, no?
It's not realistic sex ed if all it teaches is abstinence. Many teens have sex. That's a fact. No amount of abstinence teaching is going to materially change that.
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Old 08-10-2022, 03:13 PM
 
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The kids have trouble reading because they don't practice it at home with parents. Reading isn't a skill you pick up sitting in a class listening to the teacher, that is the basic concepts. Like any other skill, it takes practice/ The more you read, the better you get at it.

The districts don't have enough money to do all of the one on one tutoring and help that's required to create good readers when the parents do nothing. In Houston ISD, there was Federal grant money for a couple of years to hire reading specialists to work with kids who weren't good readers. Reading ability went up by a significant amount.

Lower SES kids need more teaching to replace what the parents of higher SES kids do. If the Legislature doesn't provide money for the additional resources, then the kids do not get the help they need. And, in Texas, a school district can't just raise taxes to pay for more resources. If a district does that, the State takes the money.

There's not a teacher in a lower SES school that would sign that contract. It's just not realistic.

Get out there and see what happens outside your bubble. Go talk to teachers who deal with this every day of the school year. The teachers who are buying their own copy paper, pens, pencils, and other supplies because of inadequate funding.
They would if the school district demanded that they do reading 2 hours a day until the kids could read.

I don't think you understand what I am saying at all.

Make it the NUMBER ONE priority.

Heard of immersion programs to learn a foreign language? Immersion to learn to read. Sign the contract. Offer bonuses to teachers who hit 85% of their kids reading at grade level.

think how quickly kids would start learning to read...

But nah.

Pronouns and sex is waaaaay more important. And teachers are cowards and buy their own copy paper and pencils and learn the pronouns du juor and about how to talk to kids about masturbation because they are too scared to stick up for their students who can't EFFING READ.

They pass them on to the next grade level. Not their problem anymore.

It's sick.

ADD: You see on TikTok all the teachers so p-ssed off that LGBTQDd is not supported and screeching about pride flags and pronouns and identify and gender nonsense and sneaking in symbols and flags into their classrooms to support the cause.

Where are all the teachers p-ssed off their students can't read? Why aren't they fighting for THAT??? Where is the parade for books? Where is the after school club to support reading?

I mean, COME ON ALREADY.

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Old 08-10-2022, 04:04 PM
 
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They would if the school district demanded that they do reading 2 hours a day until the kids could read.

I don't think you understand what I am saying at all.

Make it the NUMBER ONE priority.

Heard of immersion programs to learn a foreign language? Immersion to learn to read. Sign the contract. Offer bonuses to teachers who hit 85% of their kids reading at grade level.

think how quickly kids would start learning to read...

But nah.

Pronouns and sex is waaaaay more important. And teachers are cowards and buy their own copy paper and pencils and learn the pronouns du juor and about how to talk to kids about masturbation because they are too scared to stick up for their students who can't EFFING READ.

They pass them on to the next grade level. Not their problem anymore.

It's sick.

ADD: You see on TikTok all the teachers so p-ssed off that LGBTQDd is not supported and screeching about pride flags and pronouns and identify and gender nonsense and sneaking in symbols and flags into their classrooms to support the cause.

Where are all the teachers p-ssed off their students can't read? Why aren't they fighting for THAT??? Where is the parade for books? Where is the after school club to support reading?

I mean, COME ON ALREADY.
The districts do not give teachers 2 hours per day to teach reading. The teachers have a curriculum they must follow, it's not like they are making up what they teach as they go along.

So what if there are a few teachers making TikToks about pronouns and such? Do you think they represent every teacher out there? Or, is it more likely that it's a tiny fraction of teachers that make the videos? The teachers I know don't have time to make TikToks, they are either teaching, preparing for the next class, dealing with some of the mountains of paperwork that has to be done, grading assignments, or trying to contact parents.

Teachers are cowards? Do you think they are not sticking up for their kids and trying to get the resources to help them teach? Do you actually know any teachers?
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Old 08-10-2022, 04:11 PM
 
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The districts do not give teachers 2 hours per day to teach reading. The teachers have a curriculum they must follow, it's not like they are making up what they teach as they go along.

So what if there are a few teachers making TikToks about pronouns and such? Do you think they represent every teacher out there? Or, is it more likely that it's a tiny fraction of teachers that make the videos? The teachers I know don't have time to make TikToks, they are either teaching, preparing for the next class, dealing with some of the mountains of paperwork that has to be done, grading assignments, or trying to contact parents.

Teachers are cowards? Do you think they are not sticking up for their kids and trying to get the resources to help them teach? Do you actually know any teachers?
Why aren't the teachers fighting for their students?

You STILL don't get it. Where are the teachers saying, You know what? These kids can't read. Unless you give us 2 hours a day to teach them to read we're walking. The whole school. All of them. En masse. Walk out over reading. Till they get the time they need to make sure their kids can read.

Because they are COWARDS. They are afraid. They love their summers off, and the tons of vacation time and don't want to jeopardize their pensions. They don't care if they kids can read. Know how I know that? Because the the kids can't read.

Oh, I know teachers. I know one teacher who was so far behind on her grading she passed a kid who failed because she didn't have time for an intervention before the school year ended.

COWARDS.
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