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Exactly. The Trump team had been cooperating completely with the DOJ and records office. But those were the professionals. Garland came in with the political action committee wing of the FBI, who brought their fishing gear with them.
Garland lied and says this was a focused search, which simply means he puppets threw a large fishing net over everything, took it back to their den, to see what they netted. Garland will make up whatever charges he want, and tell the corrupt news media how to spin it in a way that the stupid people will believe.
When Trump said "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters," he must have been thinking of you.
It is when you are POTUS. Anyone else is delegated the task of declassifying documents and therefore has to follow a procedure but POTUS does not as he is the ultimate authority when it comes to declassification.
There's still a process--it's not a verbal "I declassified these" and it's done.
As for the president's power to declassify materials, here's some background on how it works, according to current and former intelligence officials familiar with the declassification process.
First, a U.S. president does have uniquely sweeping declassification abilities, though there is a process that involves written documentation and several other steps.
It's not the case that a president can declassify documents with just verbal instructions. His instruction to declassify a given document would first be memorialized in a written memo, usually drafted by White House counsel, which he would then sign.
Typically, the leadership of the agency or agencies with equities in the document would be consulted and given an opportunity to provide their views on the declassification decision. As the ultimate declassification authority, however, the president can decide to override any objections they raise.
Once a final decision is made, and the relevant agency receives the president's signed memo, the physical document in question would be marked — the old classification level would be crossed out — and the document would then be stamped, "Declassified on X date" by the agency in question.
Courts may ultimately have to decide how sweeping a sitting president's declassification powers can be. But U.S. officials familiar with the classification process to date point out that, unless and until the documents are stamped "Declassified" by the requisite agency, and following the submission of a written memo signed by the president, they have historically not been considered declassified.
Maybe they are seeing the writing on the wall. It's hard to dispute this was necessary when highly classified documents were, indeed, retrieved from Mar-a-Lago. Even they can see this wasn't a witch hunt because what they were seeking they found. We can hope...
Well their initial reaction now makes them look like idiots...This Is An Abuse Of Power...We Demand To See The Warrant!!...Ok here you go....Uuuh...We Demand To See The Affidavit....You mean you want to see the document that resulted in a search warrant??? Are you really sure want to see that?? You may...but it will in the form of an indictment. Conservative media is in bind right now.
Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? Think this through... If the FBI didn't know they left stuff behind, why would they tell Trump to put an additional lock on the room in which the stuff they left behind was stored?
Who said the FBI told Trump to put a lock on the door?
Probably true, but they might tell federal LEO left behind to keep an eye on it/guard it.
This whole thing will be a movie during our lifetimes hopefully.
If I were writing it, there would be undercover agents on the beach in front of MAL and some ladies who lunch at the pool deck in front of the storage closet.
In real life, all we know for sure is that federal LEO are at MAL 24/7 in the form of Secret Service agents.
Are they the same bunch who stiffed the ladies of the evening in South America 6 or 7 years ago? The LoE called the cops.
Anything leaving the WH belonged to the government..not the President
Why is that so hard to understand
He was told to lock the storage place did not mean he could keep it..just keep it safe until Archives could pick it up property
I agree. I don't know why it's so difficult for Trump supporters to understand either. Those documents do not belong to the former president and should have been returned post haste, and other than a few crackpots and true believers, Republicans seem to be taking a deep breath while considering the consequences of Trump's possession of SCI documents after leaving office, especially those on the House Intelligence Committee.
They could have taken it all when they were there in June. No one was stopping them. So why didn't they?
They didn’t know about additional documents until they were tipped off. Grand jury subpoenaed the documents in June and were then given TS documents from MAL. Why Mr Trump and his attorneys didn’t hand over the TS documents seized in the raid as required by the subpoena is the question. Not looking good for Mr Trump at this point. These are serious accusations.
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They were both legal experts, though I didn't catch their credentials. They weren't being asked whether he did or did not declassify anything--they would not have been able to say one way or the other, of course.
They were saying that it would be 1) a very high bar to prove, since he would have had to do X, Y, and Z to make it happen before he left office (i.e., not just make a declaration); and 2) it's not relevant anyway with respect to the statutes in question.
They were merely talking heads, with no firsthand knowledge of the events. Like you just said, they weren't able say one way or the other if he'd declassified the docs, mainly because they weren't there and they have no proven inside information on the matter. But that didn't stop you from using what they'd said to claim "Trump's claim of declassification was fully debunked". I'll ask again, "are you normally this easily swayed?"
These Trump supporters have yet to explain why does he have classified documents at his personal residence and why were they not turned over when the government requested them. I will wait for an explanation.
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