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Old 08-29-2022, 01:08 PM
 
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an excellent article that everyone clamoring for a mass movement to EVs should read.

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Perhaps the biggest challenge is their resource intensity. In June, Richard Herrington, the head of earth sciences at the Natural History Museum in London, and seven of his colleagues sent a letter to the British government that underscored the scale of the challenge. Herrington and his colleagues calculated the amount of commodities, including rare earth elements, that would be needed to convert all the United Kingdom’s 31 million motor vehicles to electric drive. (Rare earths are a group of 17 elements that includes neodymium, an essential ingredient in electric motors.) They found that doing so would require “two times the total annual world cobalt production, nearly the entire world production of neodymium, three-quarters of the world’s lithium production and at least half of the world’s copper production during 2018.”

The U.S. has about 276 million registered motor vehicles, or roughly nine times as many vehicles as the U.K. Thus, if Herrington’s numbers are right, electrifying all of U.S. motor vehicles would require roughly 18 times the world’s current cobalt production, about nine times global neodymium output, nearly seven times global lithium production, and about four times world copper production.
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Old 08-29-2022, 01:10 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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how could that even happen? i would be 80 kinds of pissed off if my state's leadership piggybacked some other state's legislation - some other state where i have no voting say whatsoever.

good on glen youngkin.
Several states have adopted legislation over the last ten or so years mandating that their vehicle emissions programs will follow California's CARB statutes.

https://mde.maryland.gov/programs/ai...es/states.aspx
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Old 08-29-2022, 01:12 PM
 
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The car dealerships in neighboring NV, AZ and OR are salivating at no more ICE cars being sold in CA in the future.
Want to place any bets on an addendum being added to "none sold" to include "no new registration/licensing"?
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Old 08-29-2022, 01:13 PM
 
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Several states have adopted legislation over the last ten or so years mandating that their vehicle emissions programs will follow California's CARB statutes.

https://mde.maryland.gov/programs/ai...es/states.aspx
so is MD on the hook for the 2035 CA stupidity too?
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Old 08-29-2022, 01:15 PM
 
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Yet once again, I'm so glad I voted for Youngkin, Sears and Miyares!
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Old 08-29-2022, 01:18 PM
 
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so is MD on the hook for the 2035 CA stupidity too?
As of right now, yes. That was part of Governor O' Malley's burnishing his Progressive credentials to run for President.

It won't be changed, at least in the next four years. The Legislature likely to be seated in January, as well as the presumptive Governor, is even more leftist than the current members, most of whom will return, when you add in the likely new members.
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Old 08-29-2022, 01:24 PM
 
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As of right now, yes. That was part of Governor O' Malley's burnishing his Progressive credentials to run for President.

It won't be changed, at least in the next four years. The Legislature likely to be seated in January, as well as the presumptive Governor, is even more leftist than the current members, most of whom will return, when you add in the likely new members.
figures. o'malley was a cretin.

oh well, 13 years is plenty of time to get the heck out of maryland, preferably far sooner.
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Old 08-29-2022, 01:28 PM
 
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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At least in California, I believe there's a limited exception for the sale of plug-in hybrids, which can use gasoline or stored charge. I'd expect the number of gas stations will steadily decrease as this goes into effect though, so visitors from out of state will probably need to rent.
Or just avoid it. It’s on my banned states list along with WA, OR, NY, MA, VT, CT, RI, IL and HI.
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Old 08-29-2022, 01:37 PM
 
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figures. o'malley was a cretin.

oh well, 13 years is plenty of time to get the heck out of maryland, preferably far sooner.
Funny thing. I knew O' Malley when he was on Baltimore City Council and I couldn't stand him then. It got so bad that years later, when I would be at dinners or what not where he was in attendance, I'd get up and leave when he got up to speak, including one time he was to present me with some type of award. I couldn't choke down my gorge for even a few minutes.

I always believed that when he was Governor he woke up in the morning and asked himself how he could screw over the municipalities (except for Baltimore City) and Counties that day.

I worked with Maryland's Governors from the mid-1980s and Harry Hughes to a couple years ago and Larry Hogan. O' Malley was the only one that I felt never dealt straight. I might have disagreed with some policies of the others, (like Parris Glendenning, who I became a close friend of after he left the Governor's office. He always made sure that he and I were seated together at various events over the years where we and our families would have a very good time) but I always felt O' Malley was just totally dishonest.
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Old 08-29-2022, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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Several states have adopted legislation over the last ten or so years mandating that their vehicle emissions programs will follow California's CARB statutes.

https://mde.maryland.gov/programs/ai...es/states.aspx
This was written in legalese, and I'm not entirely competent at translating that language into English. But it appears to me that it's saying that Maryland *MAY* enact California's laws, not that it *WILL*. And also, Section 2 appears to have been sunsetted. But I can't be sure. In any case, I anticipate having retired and moved to a more sensible state well before 2035 gets here.
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